Time to call a duck a duck?

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I remember having this debate with other students while I was in school. I have seen nothing during my time practicing nursing to change my mind about the issue. Now, with the recession bringing out the true colors of nurses and everyone around them, my opinion seems even more valid. I wonder what others think about it.

I remember sitting in nursing school as the instructor drummed on and on about how "Nursing is a profession." That exact theme butted it's head into almost every single class one way or another, regardless of the subject matter. I often found myself thinking "Who cares?" or "What's the point in that?". Then came the dreaded "Dimensions of Nursing" class. It was the class all RN's must go through at one point or another (IDK if LPNs do or not). There are other names for it "Political Aspects of Nursing" I've heard among a few others. It is the class in which you must discuss the political issues that involve nursing. You are encouraged to join this and that group, Nursing as a Profession is discussed over and over, and you must do a research paper. I never really said in that class how I really felt about the whole business of nursing being a profession in fear of drawing the ire of my superiors.

What is it I had to say that my fellow students got to hear during breaks that my instructors did not? Well: Nursing is not a profession, not even with a very generous stretch. It is a labor, a trade. We are judged solely by the amt. of patients we can handle and still keep the minimal quality expected by our administration up to par. Not very much unlike a McDonald's burger flipper. The faster you can cook those patties without screwing too many up, the better you are. That's all there is to it really. If you don't believe me, take a gander at where nursing expenses falls in the budget. We are not logged next to the admin./doctors/lawyers or any of the other professionals. We are grouped in with dietary/housekeeping/security. As far as budget makers are concerned (and, lets be honest, they make the rules), we are a debt, like a labor.

IT IS TIME FOR NURSING TO GIVE UP THIS IDENTITY CRISIS, THIS INFERIORITY COMPLEX IT HAS DISPLAYED SINCE ITS BIRTH AND MOVE ON, EMBRACE BEING A LABOR AND LOVE IT.

Ever see the movie "Man in the Iron Mask"? The King/spoiled twin tells his brother "Into the dungeon you will go, and you will wear this mask again, and you will wear it until you love it."

We are wearing the mask, but are for some reason we are unable to learn to love it. So we will forever stay in the dungeon denying what we are.

Lets face it. All the aspects of a "profession" are an illusion in nursing.

Definition of a profession:

A profession has a unique body of knowledge and values – and a perspective to go with it.

A profession has controlled entry to the group eg registration

A profession demonstrates a high degree of autonomous practice.

A profession has its own disciplinary system.

A profession enjoys the Recognition and Respect of the wider community.

1. Unique body of knowledge: We do need to go to school and must learn a lot, but I don't know about the unique part of it. Most CNA's pick up on how to do what we do after just a couple years, without the schooling. As far as values and perspective go, lets face it, we can't even agree in here on what that is. How many "Calling from God vs. Its a job" threads/rants have you seen on this site. I've lost count. We can't even agree amongst ourselves what degree we should have. I've also lost count of the "BSN vs. ADN vs. Masters" threads.

2. Controlled entry: Phfffft. It is controlled, but not by us. The hospital/medical field administration decides this. Whatever they decide they are willing to hire is what the rule is. If they decide tomorrow to never again hire ADNs.........that's that for them. We have no say in it. Seen any "Nurses eat their young" vents/threads lately. I know you have;), even if you were a blind, deaf mute with both hands tied behind your back you can't help but run into them on here. If we truly were in control of who came into the profession, such threads would be minimal. Can't be angry about who is allowed in when its your decision who gets in.

3. Demonstrates a high degree of autonomy: Again, I lead with PHfffffft. Our job description continues to be and will forever be everything and anything they can't pawn off on the other laborers. How many of us, since the recession hit, have been told to pick it up and help out in non-nursing job related ways? Empty the trash, stock the cabinets, hand out trays, collect and clean the trays..........its endless. We are unable to define for ourselves what we will and will not do. You don't see them sending the Legal dept. any emails about helping maintenance do you? Any rules/laws concerning scope of practice are simply to protect patients from us should we decide to play doctor. No laws exist to restrict what can be expected of us away from the bedside (no, that would actually be useful, help the pt., can't do anything silly like that).

4. Has its own disciplinary system: Do I need to insert Phffffft again? Oh, I just did. We only qualify here if badgering, cattiness and petty write ups are "disciplinary". Nuff said.

5. Respect of the community: I'll resist the urge to insert the obvious lead here. I'll just point out the complaining about surveys that's been the norm lately. Lets face it folks, professions who have respect are not surveyed like this. These surveys resemble grade school report cards "Nursey doesn't play well with others". If we were "respected", we'd be the ones filling out the surveys on how to improve the model of care given.

Think back to your highschool days. Remember that class clown who tried way too hard to be funny? The not so good looking girl who never stopped digging for compliments on her looks? The not so well liked guy always asking if you and he were buddies or not? That's what nursing has let itself become. Constantly running around worrying about impressing people and all the while completely losing its focus on the primary goal. A lost teenager suffering from an inferiority complex.

Maybe if we embrace the fact that we are............:eek:gasp..............a mere labor, we will be able to dedicate ourselves to our patients. Instead of worrying about proving nursing holds a "unique body of knowledge" and making up useless, pointless "theories" and such (tell me one instance you have found a use for nursing diagnosis), we will become more useful. Focus instead on better time management, better understanding of the things we actually use on the job (the equipment for instance) and a better understanding of the tasks expected of us (study IV insertion in school instead of writing papers about why nursing is a profession).

I know many of you will be upset with me and my views. They are what they are. I make no apologies for them. Not having a well liked opinion has never stopped me from saying what I feel needs said before.

So...............am I wrong? Why?

Specializes in Case Manager.

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You just posted - ..."Yes, the plumber and electrician and chimney sweep don't spend as much time in school. Hmmmm.......could it be partly because their school curriculum is not flooded with silliness like "Chimney sweep diagnosis" or "plumbing toilet overflow careplans"? And, remember, many of the skilled trades must perform apprenticeships that last a very long time. While we are in class rooms half dazed with boredom going over "Risk for impaired skin integrity R/T.........." they are in the field completing their education. Again........the skilled trades have no identity crisis holding them back. They are focused, we are not."

I totally agree, I posted elsewhere how silly the whining about how expensive it is to train a NG really is. Now, if it were an residency that lasted at least 6 mo to a year, and intensive. Being placed with only those who are proven to have the experience and knowledge and ability to mentor. Then I'd agree that a "worth" could be placed on it. I find it hilarious that hospitals can even think they provide anything that separates them from what any other skilled profession out there requires. Such martyrdom. It's likely that the "trades" like plumbers and electricians don't get the same belly aching when they are new about how they are such a hardship to their profession.

those "new" plumbers/electricians/pipefitters etc....they start out as "journeyman".....if they would do that in nursing, ie NG would be paid a lower rate, going up yearly over two/three years.....maybe this would work. Also, there IS a fair amount of task mastery that new grads need to pick up on the job, no time/room in the curriculum of nursing school, unless you want to go to the 5 year plan.

I agree with some of your points actually..... Nursing will never be a profession as long as it is controlled by others, does not have a set standard for admission, and does not have capability for autonomous practice. The position of nurse practitioner, NP, seems to come closest to the "professional" category in meeting those requirements. But obviously not everyone who's a nurse will be an NP. For those who are concerned about being considered a professional maybe the NP route is the one to take.

LOL, I thought this thread was dead. Seems some people tried to sneak in while I wasn't looking and post, make it look as though they had the last word. LMAO.

I'd love to begin this debate again though. BRING IT ON :devil:

Actually I haven't had time to read or post to allnurses in a while now - been so darn busy with work and school lately. We are on winter break at school right now so I actually have some free time to read and post.

I'm a CNA/PCT but here's my take on it. The big difference to me between a professional and a non-professional is if you can be sued for malpractice or not. As a CNA I can be sued for negligence or practicing without a license but not malpractice, when I become a nurse I can be sued for malpractice. Nurses, doctors, lawyers can all be sued for malpractice.

Although I hope I never get sued.

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I can't think of too many laborers that make 100 thousand a year, or spend several years in college to receive the education required to do their jobs
No, but I can think of quite a number of tradespeople who do.

Nursing is a trade.

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I'm a CNA/PCT but here's my take on it. The big difference to me between a professional and a non-professional is if you can be sued for malpractice or not. As a CNA I can be sued for negligence or practicing without a license but not malpractice, when I become a nurse I can be sued for malpractice. Nurses, doctors, lawyers can all be sued for malpractice.

Although I hope I never get sued.

Although not specificaly for malpractice, people performing "trades" can be sued too.

Although not specificaly for malpractice, people performing "trades" can be sued too.

But like you said, not for malpractice.

From m-w.com

Definition of MALPRACTICE

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: a dereliction of professional duty or a failure to exercise an ordinary degree of professional skill or learning by one (as a physician) rendering professional services which results in injury, loss, or damage

I'm a CNA/PCT but here's my take on it. The big difference to me between a professional and a non-professional is if you can be sued for malpractice or not... Nurses, doctors, lawyers can all be sued for malpractice.

That would seem a rather limiting definition of professional, then. But then again, the problem with the whole "is nursing a profession?" question is that the word profession is used to mean different things in different contexts.

My experience was of nursing instructors pointing to the previously referenced "5 characteristics of a profession" as a proof that nursing really *is* a profession. However, that particular definition has its own flaws as has been pointed out before. And does it matter to one's nursing practice whether or not nursing fits under any particular definition of profession? Why waste any time in basic nursing education on such semantics? It's important that all nurses understand that they can be sued for malpractice and to understand their scope of practice and state regulations. It's not so important that all nurses be able to list off the way in which nursing fits (or doesn't fit) any particular definition of profession. Personally, however, I find it a very interesting question, thus my involvement in this (still going?!) thread!

That would seem a rather limiting definition of professional, then.

Isn't that the point? Isn't that why nurses want to be considered professional? Because it is a limited/rare thing that not every joeblow can call themselves? It's pedestal to stand on and get your ego stroked.

Specializes in M/S, Travel Nursing, Pulmonary.
Isn't that the point? Isn't that why nurses want to be considered professional? Because it is a limited/rare thing that not every joeblow can call themselves? It's pedestal to stand on and get your ego stroked.

I get your jest, but......eh, takes more than being able to be sued for malpractice to be called a profession. The ability to sue nurses for malpractice (rather than simply neglegence) is just a convenient way to bump up mega lawsuits. Its no reflection of our standing.

Talk to nurses in CA about how well defined their roles are. Once they had pt. ratios in place, the hospitals elminated all but he most bare bone level of support staff and made the nurses responsible for EVERYTHING. Can't do that to a "professional". Note my original point that the legal dept. and doctors are not being asked to empty trash bins or deliver food trays.

Point is........being able to be sued for "malpractice" is a con of being a profession. Yes, we have that. But we do not get the pros of being a profession. Hence, not a profession.

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I love this discussion.

I have often thought nursing is a strange meld of profession-trade-day labor. When I'm unfortunate enough to verbalize my opinion, I often get dirty looks from my fellow professional tradesperson daylaborers.

Nursing is an art, and a science, and a trade, which we perform professionally. While lifting heavy weight repetitively, standing/walking/bending/squatting almost constantly.

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