Those Darn Diabetics

Difficult diabetics present some of the biggest challenges in health care today. Many docs and nurses dislike this population and view them as "problem children." What they don't realize is that patients need time to process their feelings about the diagnosis, and when they don't get that time, they can easily see the professionals as the enemy. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Those Darn Diabetics!

Do you ever wish difficult type 2 diabetics weren't your headache? Your wish has been granted. They aren't your problem anymore.

You read that right. They are not your problem. They are your patients who have a particular problem. Such a distinction may seem fussy, but it actually represents a pivot point for changing old attitudes and responses toward people who are used to feeling like perennial problem children.

Under the established system, as soon as tests confirm the diagnosis of type 2 diabetes, we lead patients to a conveyor belt. Most hop on by themselves. If they don't, we're happy to give them a nudge (or even a shove). Members of the healthcare assembly line then outfit the patients with armloads of widgets, gadgets and instructions.

But what about the ones who don't go peaceably? You've seen them. They test once a day (if that) when the order is for four times. They don't get their prescriptions filled, or if they do, they don't take the meds. They think they're dieting when they settle for a two-scoop cone instead of a banana split. They lie, even when their HA1c levels rat them out. And some of them simply leave and don't come back for years.

We often fuss about having to respect patient autonomy, but with this crowd we're secretly thankful for such a broad and convenient excuse to hide behind. If they choose to be noncompliant, we can't very well arm wrestle them, can we?

If this stubborn bunch were a tiny percentage of all the diagnosed type 2 diabetics out there, we might have a non-amputated leg to stand on. But it's not a small group, by weight or by numbers. And even among the "good" patients, there can be serious gaps and lapses. We can throw in the towel and continue to absolve ourselves of responsibility, or we can take a look at how we as healthcare providers might be influencing--or even provoking--these less than satisfactory outcomes.

For starters, we need to change the amount of time patients are given to process such a life-changing diagnosis. Many patients will want to begin treatment immediately, and by all means, we should help them to do just that. But some will need a couple of weeks, or even a couple of months, to deal with their shock, anger, grief and resistance.

But isn't waiting dangerous?

For all but the handful who wake up in the hospital after a diabetic coma, the risk of delaying has to be measured against the drawbacks of pushing people who simply aren't ready to make momentous changes in their lives in the blink of an eye. Remember, we're talking type 2 diabetes here--a glacier rather than an avalanche. Some of these folks have been diabetic (without their knowledge) for years. Giving them enough time to become invested in their own health care could avert far lengthier periods of "noncompliance" down the road.

Assessing our patients to see if they're eager or reluctant is a crucial step in deciding what comes next. Those in the "teacher's pet" group will need little more than guidance, tools and affirmation as they follow the program laid out for them. But if treated prematurely, the heel-draggers will see guidance as imposition. Tools will feel like shackles. And there probably won't be a whole lot to affirm.

Why? Because they won't have had a chance to willingly board the good ship, "Sugar-free Lollipop."

Think about a cardiac patient who needs serious but non-emergent surgery. If we give him the diagnosis and then whisk him off to the OR a few hours later, without ever asking what he wants and without obtaining his consent, he could very well end up feeling assaulted. Should this resentment carry over into his recovery period, we can expect him to rebel every chance he gets. He'll complain about having to ambulate in the hallways, fuss about the tasteless new diet, and rail at having to take meds--some right now for the pain and others for the rest of his life. And who can blame him?

If unnecessarily rushing a patient into surgery seems absurd, why can't we see the similarities in our treatment of diabetics? We may not use the general anesthesia implied in the above scenario, but after we lay out the bad news, do we give the patient time to think about the information? Do we ask what his goals and priorities are? Do we present our resources and our knowledge as an offer with the clear recognition (both in us and in the patient) that he is free to walk out the door to seek a second opinion or even do nothing at all? Let's be honest--our sense of urgency on the patient's behalf hardly ever allows that to happen.

Speaking of second opinions, surgical patients are often encouraged (and sometimes required by insurance companies) to obtain a validating (or dissenting) assessment. Not so much with diabetes. After all, the numbers don't lie. And the treatment is pretty straightforward. So, why not skip that option and quick-march those rascally diabetics into treatment?

What do you think would happen if we went at a slightly slower pace? What if we did encourage a second opinion or at least a second appointment a month or so after the initial diagnosis so that the patient could work through the bad news and figure out what he wants? What if we sent him home with factual, non-emotional information about the systemic nature of the disease and explanations of the different treatment choices? We know that patients (and their family members) Google every ache and sniffle, so why not provide a list of trustworthy websites to help them see the big picture. We could even give him a couple of down-to-earth questionnaires to help him organize his priorities, identify areas of struggle, and zero in on where he wants to direct his energy.

When we jump the gun and bypass the patient's the need to internalize this knowledge, we communicate that we don't trust him with his own life. But if we give him solid information and offer our resources as consultants, we ditch the typical tug-of-war rope and make ourselves available to collaborate against a common foe.

If we demonstrate this much respect--nothing more than a potential surgical patient is routinely accorded--we'll appear more like allies rather than enemies to be lied to and avoided. The glucometer, the meds, the exercise and even the diet will look like ammunition to fight a disease rather than punishments from the mean medical folks.

Once we're willing to see our patients as people who need our help with their problem, they won't be our problem anymore.

type II, i believe is weight related.

therefore if the client is addicted to sugary stuff, they suffer the consequences. If its weight related, why is it weight related.

the pancrease & illets of langerhans decided to go on holidays, why should it work. The dumb human is doing it for me

perhaps not enough reality is being shoved down their throats, OR perhaps it is, and theyCHOSE to ignore it

Its getting to the point as here in Ontario, patient heal thyself, or take care of your self scenerio is being played out. That is probably a pipe dream, or I am snorting too much white stuff. But I am seeing, as a senior RN, the evolution of stupidity. General public dont give a damn.

I pay my taxes and my benefit plan, or I am on welfare aka the govt will take of me.

parDON ME FOR my anger but i see so much of it

nope type 2 is not just weight related, the weight adds to the problem, the medications add to the weight AND if a type 2 does EVERYTHING right it is still a chronic progressive disease IT WILL get worse. some of you need to learn about the disease before you post on here. These ppl are already prone to the disease before they gain the weight. and they have had it for years and have complications before they are diagnosed. It is usually the complication that leads to the diagnosis. They don't chose to ignore it, they chose to deal sometimes the only way they know how. Whatever happened to treating the whole patient? They don't do what you want so forget about them?? These attitudes are whats wrong with healthcare.

There will always be some patients--no matter what condition we're talking about--who simply won't do a thing to improve their lives. That's human nature for you.

The problem comes in when healthcare workers assume that everyone who struggles or is resistant to multiple changes thinks this way. Then they use this false "knowledge" as an excuse to become disgusted (no matter how well the practitioner tries to hide it, patients know), and the trust (if there was any) evaporates.

It's fine to talk about educating patients, but how well do we listen to them? Do we know what they're hearing or how they interpret our instructions? Do we have an understanding of what our "orders" will mean in their lives? Do we give a hoot if they see an overwhelming set of obstacles when we tell them to do certain things? Or do we walk away feeling a little miffed or even indignant because they didn't seem receptive?

One example: A nurse practitioner tells an overweight man that he needs to exercise more and cut back on the carbs. All he hears is that he's supposed to fit an hour of walking into a day where he already works two jobs and cut back on the dinner he bolts down in between. On the weekends, he's pooped and wants to sit and watch a few games or at least listen on the radio while he fixes things around the house and tries to spend a little time with his kids.

At his next appointment, the NP sees no change and so she repeats her instructions again, trying to hide her frustration. He, of course, sees her dissatisfaction and doesn't make a follow up appointment.

Had the NP asked him for his reaction to her directives the first time around, she could have invited him (and his wife if she was there) to help brainstorm some changes he could make without upending his life.

Maybe they could have talked about changing his work lunches in ways that would involve only minimal disruption. He might have said he could walk with his kids on the weekends and park farther from the door at both jobs. Little things, but they could make a difference. If he kept to his plan (his plan developed with her help), then they could build on that success. Some changes at the dinner table. Getting the wife and kids involved in making healthier meals. Making dad a chart, complete with stars and rewards, for taking his meds every day (so he can see that it matters to his kids and they can see he's doing this because he wants to be around for them down the road). This will benefit everyone, and it may prevent the kids from becoming the new generation of diabetics.

Education is too often a static, one-way process that involves dumping a lot of information without assessing either the understand or the impact of the words. Connecting with a patient is more of a challenge, but it can make all the difference in the world.

We drop the ball with so many patients, and then we get all huffy and judgmental when we don't see any improvement. We didn't help people to find a vision that works for them. We didn't discuss the emotional aspect of the disease. We didn't encourage them in any meaningful way. But we educated them. That's what we tell ourselves.

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" Originally posted by VicedRN

I can't see likening rushing a patient into non emergent surgery as assault. They either do or do not sign the consent form.

As for the diabetics, I am a citizen, a taxpayer, a consumer of the health care delivery system in this country, a patient advocate and a healer.

I believe in good boundaries.

Delaying care, treatment or targeted interventions for diabetes should result in a lack of coverage for your condition. Health care is expensive and we all need to be responsible consumers. Thinking about it while you eat a pint of ice cream isn't fair to the rest of us and it likely confuses the patients if they think we find it somehow acceptable to delay care."

So, since you are a nurse and nurses tend to have a high rate of susbstance abuse, back injury and are suffering more physical assaults resulting in hospitalizations, should you have to pay higher premiums? Or should you quit nursing? If you rupture a disc in your back should it be denied because you knew that was a possibilty for being a nurse? How about that ever present and frightening possibility of an accidental stick? No payment because you continue to use needles on your patients? It's your choice to be a nurse so why should our health premiums suffer? Seriously?

Not all patients with Diabetes are non-compliant because they choose to be. Often it comes down to lack of health literacy and money. You can throw all the stips, pills and insulin you want at a person that doesn't comprehend the issue and it won't do them a bit of good. When I was diagnosed with my heart condition it took several weeks for the fact to sink in. Several months for me to start understanding the changes that I had to make and several years for me to maintain. I still have lapses. Is it because I get so busy. There was a time when I couldn't afford meds. Money and health benefits are often a barrier for our patients.

Really? Higher premiums, deny payment? So, no coverage for kids that don't listen to their parents and take their helmets off as soon as the get out of sight? Where would you end the denials?

There will always be some patients--no matter what condition we're talking about--who simply won't do a thing to improve their lives. That's human nature for you.

The problem comes in when healthcare workers assume that everyone who struggles or is resistant to multiple changes thinks this way. Then they use this false "knowledge" as an excuse to become disgusted (no matter how well the practitioner tries to hide it, patients know), and the trust (if there was any) evaporates.

It's fine to talk about educating patients, but how well do we listen to them? Do we know what they're hearing or how they interpret our instructions? Do we have an understanding of what our "orders" will mean in their lives? Do we give a hoot if they see an overwhelming set of obstacles when we tell them to do certain things? Or do we walk away feeling a little miffed or even indignant because they didn't seem receptive?

One example: A nurse practitioner tells an overweight man that he needs to exercise more and cut back on the carbs. All he hears is that he's supposed to fit an hour of walking into a day where he already works two jobs and cut back on the dinner he bolts down in between. On the weekends, he's pooped and wants to sit and watch a few games or at least listen on the radio while he fixes things around the house and tries to spend a little time with his kids.

At his next appointment, the NP sees no change and so she repeats her instructions again, trying to hide her frustration. He, of course, sees her dissatisfaction and doesn't make a follow up appointment.

Had the NP asked him for his reaction to her directives the first time around, she could have invited him (and his wife if she was there) to help brainstorm some changes he could make without upending his life.

Maybe they could have talked about changing his work lunches in ways that would involve only minimal disruption. He might have said he could walk with his kids on the weekends and park farther from the door at both jobs. Little things, but they could make a difference. If he kept to his plan (his plan developed with her help), then they could build on that success. Some changes at the dinner table. Getting the wife and kids involved in making healthier meals. Making dad a chart, complete with stars and rewards, for taking his meds every day (so he can see that it matters to his kids and they can see he's doing this because he wants to be around for them down the road). This will benefit everyone, and it may prevent the kids from becoming the new generation of diabetics.

Education is too often a static, one-way process that involves dumping a lot of information without assessing either the understand or the impact of the words. Connecting with a patient is more of a challenge, but it can make all the difference in the world.

We drop the ball with so many patients, and then we get all huffy and judgmental when we don't see any improvement. We didn't help people to find a vision that works for them. We didn't discuss the emotional aspect of the disease. We didn't encourage them in any meaningful way. But we educated them. That's what we tell ourselves.

well said thank you

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agreed! you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink it.

Specializes in Med Surg.

I picked up my wife's diabetic supplies for the month today.

Lantus Flex Pens - $60 co-pay

Novalog Flex Pens - $60 co-pay

Flex Pen Needles - $60 co-pay

Test Strips - $60 co-pay

This is every month and with insurance. We are fortunate in that we can afford this. But imagine what a person would feel after receiving a diagnoses of DMII and then being told they must go to the pharmacy and immediately spend hundreds of dollars and that expense will be every month forever. Not to mention that eating a diabetic friendly diet will usually cost more than than the meat and potatoes heart attack diet. Non-compliance is not always a matter of caring or not caring. Part of teaching someone a new lifestyle is finding out what kind of limitations they have and finding ways to deal with those limitations instead of pushing them away with an "we know what's best for you now go forth and obey" attitude.

I believe the original point of this was that maybe if we work WITH newly diagnosed diabetics instead of dictating that they immediately retool their lives them we might be able to increase compliance. (GAWD, I hate that word. Sounds like 1984 or Brave New World) While I agree that expecting someone who has failed to take care of themselves for years is probably a lost cause, changing our approach in dealing with the new patients and making them partners in their care rather than the old "just do what we say and shut up" approach might just give them the idea that they actually have a voice.

Diabetes seems to be the only chronic disease out there that people think they can make go away by defiantly rejecting even the most reasonable doctors' orders. Most of the Type II diabetics I know smoke, eat horribly on purpose, refuse to take their meds, etc. and then want everyone around them to pick up the pieces when everything collapses.

My parents were once on a charter airplane when a man collapsed shortly before takeoff. When the paramedics arrived, he bragged that he was diabetic, and he had not eaten all day and then took too much insulin so he would do this for attention.

And don't get me started on the late teen/early adult Type I's who are deliberately noncompliant and pretty much live in and out of the ICU.

Diabetes seems to be the only chronic disease out there that people think they can make go away by defiantly rejecting even the most reasonable doctors' orders. Most of the Type II diabetics I know smoke, eat horribly on purpose, refuse to take their meds, etc. and then want everyone around them to pick up the pieces when everything collapses.

My parents were once on a charter airplane when a man collapsed shortly before takeoff. When the paramedics arrived, he bragged that he was diabetic, and he had not eaten all day and then took too much insulin so he would do this for attention.

And don't get me started on the late teen/early adult Type I's who are deliberately noncompliant and pretty much live in and out of the ICU.

I don't know if you read the article, but many diabetics were mishandled from the time of their diagnosis onward. They were not listened to, given emotional support or helped to find realistic ways to alter their lives to find success. Without the belief that change is doable, people don't move in that direction.

Much of the "communication" with diabetics is one-sided with education repeated ad nauseum and little listening in return. Healthcare providers roll their eyes and shake their heads over "those people" who deliberately engage in bad habits but don't ask key questions. "What is it that holds you back from exercising more and eating better?" They might find out that the young mom is juggling two jobs as a single parent and needs help to figure out baby steps that blend in with her other responsibilities. How about the single guy doesn't know how to cook and would benefit from a class or a book or even a website explaining simple recipes that are both healthy and satisfying. Then there's the older gentleman who dropped out of school after eighth grade and doesn't read very well. He would benefit from more hands on and verbal instruction.

Our patients don't know what they don't know. That's why it's important for us to take the initiative and connect with them, assuming that they would like to be healthy rather than assuming they just don't care and they're being difficult on purpose. Yes, it often looks that way, but if you think you've booked passage on the Titanic, a common attitude is to want to live it up until the ship sinks.

We are in a position to give patients a vision of what is doable and possible, not just load them up with a lot of rules and restrictions. When we don't do that, we fail them.

Are there people who will do it wrong even if we do our part perfectly. Of course, but I'll bet the percentage is a lot smaller than it seems like now.

I'll tell you one thing--disgust is not a legitimate therapeutic tool.

Before I had children, I was inwardly extremely critical of parents with unruly children. There was no way any child of mine would EVER throw a tantrum in the supermarket. Well, those of you who are parents will know how that turned out. My only saving grace is that I didn't sit in the houses of friends with children and air my views to all and sundry.

Before I worked in a tiny rural hospital, I was very critical of tiny hospital's poor management of patients which resulted in transfers to the big city hospital where of course everything was fixed as we rolled our eyes at the idiots who must work at tiny hospital. Then I moved to a small town and began working at a 20-bed hospital. We had no x-ray, no pathology, one ancient ventilator, etc, (it was a long time ago, small hospitals like this have mostly been closed over the years) and there was only one doctor in the whole town. We kept a lot of patients alive until they could be transferred to big city hospital and sometimes that meant causing other problems while trying to do something about the immediate life threatening problem. It was a great job (although terrifying at times), and I think I learned more there than I did at big city hospital.

Before I worked in a nursing home, I couldn't understand why the nursing home didn't just do all the things that the hospital does thus preventing the need for transfers. When I worked in a nursing home, I found I had so many patients that sometimes it's hard to just get all the medications done.

Before I hit menopause, I thought hot flushes and mood swings and all the rest of it were no big deal and anyone who complained about it must have precious little to do if all they can focus on is some transient minor discomfort. A couple of years ago I hit menopause....... the hot flushes are almost unbearable at times and I haven't slept the night through since.

Before I developed a chronic illness, I couldn't understand how anyone would ever not 'do the right thing', not take their medication exactly as prescribed, not keep all their appointments, and not follow every instruction that the health professionals were kind enough to provide. My condition isn't diabetes and I've had to make far fewer changes and lifestyle adjustments than we expect of diabetics, yet I frequently chafe at the restrictions, I put off going to the doctor, I don't always 'do the right thing'.

It's really hard to walk in someone's shoes until you've actually had to do it, but I think we should try. It seems that so many of us think that people with chronic illnesses in general, and diabetes in particular, should be grateful that we are telling them how to manage their lives. The attitude is 'well, this is what you have, this is what you have to do, this is the way it is, it's no use going on about it, you don't want to develop complications do you???'.

I think we forget that for many patients the difference between where they are where and where we think they should be is so far that we may as well be asking them to fly to the moon. If something seems impossible, if you can't see how you're not going to fail, the natural reaction is to not even try. And this isn't even taking cost into account. I'm lucky, I live where there is universal health insurance, but even so it costs money to buy medications, have tests, see specialists, buy different food, all the rest of it. It doesn't cost huge amounts of money, but it's an expense nonetheless. It costs time as well and that's something that most people don't have much of these days.

I also wonder why we, as health care professionals, can be reluctant to examine our own role in this. We might be doing everything 'right', everything that we think will benefit the patient, but if isn't working, isn't it up to us to find an approach that works better?

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful response.

I do wonder how well the ranks of the disgusted would fare if they had to follow a strict diabetic protocol for even a single week. No, make it a month. That way they would get to experience the joy of co-pays and probably at least one doctor appointment. I'm guessing they'd balk and slip up and outright cheat, and that's with an end in sight.

It's so easy to criticize when you don't have to "go there." But going there--meeting people where they are--is the only way they'll ever trust us enough to follow us to someplace better.

Folks who struggle with chronic illness need to be told that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Success is much more likely to occur and to last if it's incremental. And to achieve that, the patient has to have a vision of what each small step looks like. If they can't imagine doing it, they won't do it. It's up to us to bridge the gap between the damaging practices they're currently engaging in and the impossible dream of perfect habits. But they will have to cross that bridge one step at a time. A lesson you've learned and were kind enough to share.

Thanks again for a great post.

Folks who struggle with chronic illness need to be told that it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Success is much more likely to occur and to last if it's incremental. And to achieve that, the patient has to have a vision of what each small step looks like. If they can't imagine doing it, they won't do it. It's up to us to bridge the gap between the damaging practices they're currently engaging in and the impossible dream of perfect habits. But they will have to cross that bridge one step at a time. A lesson you've learned and were kind enough to share.

And that wasn't what I was talking about in my earlier post. Even the least complicated case of diabetes can be tricky to manage. I was talking about people who really do nothing, or less than nothing, even though they know better and have access (even free access) to all the medication and supplies they need.