Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?
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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:
I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?
Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.
Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.
Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.
Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.
Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.
I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:
Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.
(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)
The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.
Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.
You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.
Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.
Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.
Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.
Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.
All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.
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References
American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel
ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7
CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u
National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit
NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf
TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf
I just read this again. HOW do you actually determine that it was the "IVC" that saved him? I'm guessing that he was not able to swallow pills by the time they administered it, since they went the IV route. I imagine the reason it had to be fought for is because tamiflu is effective at treating the flu, as is symptomatic support. I seriously doubt a hospital eliminated literally every treatment except giving vitamin C (if they did, again, this is obviously why a lawyer was needed as the doctor would be negligent to do so). Understanding how medical care and pathophysiology work, it literally is impossible to say the "IVC" is what worked.
Well, here's one detailed report on what happened...
Vitamin C Saves Man Dying of Viral Pneumonia - La Leva di Archimede (ENG)
However, again, I find it very believable having my own experience with Vitamin C as a powerful natural antiviral :)
Yes, pharmas and cams are in it for the money, which is why I would seek out objective information and people with their own experience on what may work, and get a rounded out picture of something. I don't quite understand all that you are taught, but when I hear how the body works, and why this or that isn't possible (as in baking soda and molasses) I also hear from the same why Vitamin C couldn't work for colds, flu and asthma too, that I happen to know first hand how, within minutes, no longer than any asthma med besides an inhaler, works so well despite the denial or "lack of evidence". From that I believe something may be off or limited in "studies" and knowledge, in health science when it comes to vitamins, natural remedies, pH, and immunity, the system and what the body uses. I would say the body is affected by everything that goes in it, good or bad, and pH in the urine is only a way of considering the results. If one eats more alkaline, it will show in the urine, if not, it will show.Eating Alkaline Foods: How to Test and Improve Your pH Levels | Sara Gottfried MD
The poster you responded to explained how urine pH is not indicative of blood pH. They explained how the kidneys and lungs regulate pH. They explained how the digestive system (including the foods you eat) do NOT correlate with your body's ph. Your body needs to NOT be more acidic or alkaline. The effective function of your body systems requires your ph be within normal limits.
Let's pretend for a second you ate a ton of alkaline foods and actually DID change your body's pH. Your kidneys and lungs would not allow the pH to remain changed.
As for vitamin C working within minutes.... Not possible. It literally just isn't. What blows my mind is that you're here telling people who have studied the physiology of bodies that they don't understand what they have learned. You are suggesting that all of us simply don't understand. Do YOU understand? If you don't understand the relationship between pH and the kidneys and lungs, how can you possibly say we aren't right?
I'm not saying that to insinuate you aren't CAPABLE of knowing. ANYONE is capable of learning these things in detail, and it doesn't take a higher education degree to "get it". You obviously have the best interests of your health and the health of those around you in mind. I do understand that. What I am saying, though, is that when you have a population of people who understand pathophysiology on a molecular and cellular level telling you that what you are saying has no way of being true, surely that must inspire you to consider doing better research using better resources.
And P.S. Whack jobs can have "MD" after their names as well. In fact, the fact that your quoted link is posted by a physician is absolutely sickening because they are quite literally using pseudo science to sell falsities.
rusti1, just because it worked for you or John Smith doesn't make it a cure. I'll give you some leeway since it's obvious you have no understanding of the processes of testing a potential treatment. Your n=2 still doesn't make your claims credible.
Well, here's one detailed report on what happened...Vitamin C Saves Man Dying of Viral Pneumonia - La Leva di Archimede (ENG)
However, again, I find it very believable having my own experience with Vitamin C as a powerful natural antiviral :)
Just finished the article, which I admit is interesting and compels me to learn more.
However.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to get a flu shot?
Just finished the article, which I admit is interesting and compels me to learn more.However.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to get a flu shot?
I wouldn't spend too much time on a site that claims all cancer can be cured in 90 days with cannabis oil.
We've gone from snake-oil salesmen to weed-oil salesmen. Progress.
I wouldn't spend too much time on a site that claims all cancer can be cured in 90 days with cannabis oil.We've gone from snake-oil salesmen to weed-oil salesmen. Progress.
Whoo hooooo progress! Does this mean that when we legalize it, cancer rates will drop to zero?
Thank you for that prior post disseminating vitamin C/cancer researched. Saved me some time getting annoyed on Google. :)
Well, here's one detailed report on what happened...Vitamin C Saves Man Dying of Viral Pneumonia - La Leva di Archimede (ENG)
However, again, I find it very believable having my own experience with Vitamin C as a powerful natural antiviral :)
The article linked is written by a Florida MD who sells supplements, and the "Dr. Levy" quoted repeatedly in the article is another "natural medicine" huckster with a website selling supplements. And is anyone else amused that the article is linked from a blog which found it on a website called "OpEd News"? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron??
Just finished the article, which I admit is interesting and compels me to learn more.However.
Wouldn't it have just been easier to get a flu shot?
I thought so ten years ago, but, when I did get the flu vaccine thinking I didn't want to risk it, I then got the flu a few weeks after. Not good being asthmatic. I thought "Maybe I'm better off with Vitamin C" since I'd been taking it for colds and athma, "Maybe it'll help with the flu". I haven't had the flu since, though I had an episode of "flu-like" symptoms that only lasted an hour in the winter of 2012, after taking extra Vitamin C and my now "cold protocol"... ACV, honey and cinnamon asap, it was gone. So, that's how I treat myself now. Only one cold in 10 years, so, I think it's pretty good. Glad you'll look more into it.
The article linked is written by a Florida MD who sells supplements, and the "Dr. Levy" quoted repeatedly in the article is another "natural medicine" huckster with a website selling supplements. And is anyone else amused that the article is linked from a blog which found it on a website called "OpEd News"? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron??
Sorry, I didn't see any product link on the site so I thought it would be acceptable. It's been in the news and a documentary, and I'm not selling vitamin C.
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Yes, pharmas and cams are in it for the money, which is why I would seek out objective information and people with their own experience on what may work, and get a rounded out picture of something. I don't quite understand all that you are taught, but when I hear how the body works, and why this or that isn't possible (as in baking soda and molasses) I also hear from the same why Vitamin C couldn't work for colds, flu and asthma too, that I happen to know first hand how, within minutes, no longer than any asthma med besides an inhaler, works so well despite the denial or "lack of evidence". From that I believe something may be off or limited in "studies" and knowledge, in health science when it comes to vitamins, natural remedies, pH, and immunity, the system and what the body uses. I would say the body is affected by everything that goes in it, good or bad, and pH in the urine is only a way of considering the results. If one eats more alkaline, it will show in the urine, if not, it will show.
Eating Alkaline Foods: How to Test and Improve Your pH Levels | Sara Gottfried MD