I know this can be a HUGE debate, and I'm not looking to start any arguments. I was just wondering as you are OB nurses. I'm expecting a boy in July and not sure if we should circ. or not. My husband says yes, it's better medically in the long run. My gpa who just turned 70 had to have a circ. due to endless complications lately.
As nurses in this area, is the medication that they use good? And what are some questions to ask my Dr. about it. I already know that my hospital i'll be at uses a med. when they perform it, I"m just wondering what you all think.
No. In fact, the nerve tissue has been discarded. You can opt for surgery if you are very wealthy, but if not, one must resort to stretching, which uses a variety of techniques to increase the surface area of the skin on the shaft to cover the glans. That is all either option does. Cover the glans.
This results in a couple things. The surface of the glans but a moist mucous membrane. Without the foreskin, the glans becomes dried, toughened, and has decreased sensitivity. Stretching the skin and allowing it to cover the glans once again results in thinner skin over the glans as well as moisture retention. In my experience, this results in a much stronger sensation, which really wasn't a problem until I got into my 30s.
You can definitely see (and feel) the dramatic softening and thinning of the skin. Reportedly the slackness generated increases pleasure for BOTH partners.
if a parent opts for circ due to religion or personal preference they are not violating childs human rights and those who think that they should be allowed to determine anothers beliefs are the ones who are violating rights
People who are so adament about cutting off a child's genitals scare me.
Cutting off "genitals" is not what circumcision does. It is the foreskin. member and testicles are left intact.
Remember, I'm not the one who decided to circ my boys. But I've seen lots of circ's and for the most part the babies do not cry. Alot of them sleep. Of course this is when the docs who use lidocaine do the circ. As I may have mentioned (there are a couple of threads on circ's going on) one of our docs refuses to use any pain meds and that baby does cry. And I won't help this doc.
People who are so adament about cutting off a child's genitals scare me.
I have my theories why this is the case, but I'm choosing to bow out, as well. I don't think we can offer any more information, or sites to look at than we already have. For those interested, there is a wealth of info here, as well as great websites to check out.
Glad to have a girl...my husband and I went around and around with this, because we didn't know if we were having a boy or girl.
My 2 cents: if you can keep it clean, then leave it. I would wonder about being in a nursing home and how often that duty actually gets done, so there's a pro to it.
ahh the point i have been waiting to see - i would say that uncircd males dont get cleaned well in nursing homes and its hard enough to get the girls to pull circd males back and get them clean- i have had to teach the same girls over and over with the uncircd we have HOW to get the skin back without to much stimulation and they still are uncomfortable doing it- sad they cant get beyond the fact that mr74 yr old can get a little stiff whilst they are diddling trying to get that skin back - its actually kinda funny how embarrassed these girls get - they are all sexually active and proud and loud about it and they get sheepish lol.
I have, and this baby passed out from the pain with a local. The doctors are known for not using enough, or not waiting long enough for it take effect. Time is money, you know. I asked the nurses if this was a common practice and if other babies pass out, and they all said, yes.
Frankly, until we can remember what it's like to be a newborn and experience the pain, it's really not fair for us to assume it's not unbelievably painful. From what I witnessed...it is. Personally, I think ALL parents should witness one before they decide to send their own child in. I can pretty much assure you the rates would drop.
Pain free, or not, it still should not be our right to take a way a perfectly healthy part of a male's body.
saw one in school and saw all 3 of my boys circd - not a one cried after getting them settled before the procedure and they did not appear to be in any pain - they used local on all - would do it again if had another boy.
"Circumcision cuts HIV rates in half." - This statement would seem to be BS.
Circumcision is performed in the US for cultural reasons. I think the biggest influence came from the US army and from the Catholics & Jews.
For example in England (the USA mother country, hence the reason we are typying in english for the time being) they do NOT usually circumcise. The country is mostly made up of Protestants.
"You're discussing THAT online? . . . Mine, specifically????"
Followed (after a few faces of disgust) with a sheepish: "I don't care, I'm just glad I don't remember it."
I'll take that as validation of BOTH my right as a parent to make an informed decision AND the timing of said decision.
~faith,
Timothy.
LOL after reading this i had to then poll my 23 yr old son - all he had to say was he dont remember it hurting , and it doesnt hurt now unless the girl says no and it sure hasnt decreased his sex drive ( i said that was TMI and he said well YOU asked LOL) and he also said you nurses sure talk about weird sh** hahaha. guesss i know better than to poll my son - and shoulda expected nothing less than a blunt answer from a marine LOL> thanks for the idea - made quite the umm conversation lol.
You are incorrect. I happen to have an extensive collection of antique and vintage nursing books and medical advisor books from the 1860's to the 1940's. In books from the late 1800's there is always a chapter on the deleterious health effects from masturbation and other non-coital seminal emmissions. By the 1920's there was more of an understanding of germs, but still a strong moral imperative to prevent masturbation in young men. It's in books from the 20's where the practise of circumcision to prevent the habit from starting came into being. I will quote a passage from one such book below.
Care and Feeding of Southern Babies Copyright 1920
Owen R. Wilson M.D.
Masturbation is common in children about the second year, especially girls. There is no way of breaking it except by watchfulness and tact. Jave an examination made to eliminate any source of irritation. A leather cuff around each leg near the knee connected by a wooden bar between them usually prevents by keeping the legs separated. In boys, circumcision will cure. Children should be taught from early infancy not to touch their genitals.
This is just one example. I have another book from the 1920's somewhere with very similar advise. The idea was that circumcision eliminated the need for the mother to retract the boy's foreskin for hygiene, therefore reduced the stimulation and risk of him developing any "nasty habits"
I have a large collection, these books are very interesting reading.:chuckle
i am jealous - would love those books lol. have one that is 130 yrs old and was given to me by my dads neighbor when i graduated - had been in her family for yrs - i was honered - have taken itout of safe a few times to read around in it - amazing how different things are - love how cpr has changed - used to lay em on there belly and pump thier arms - roflmao - i can picture it - any rate my point is - things may have been said and done one way in the past doesnt mean better reasons and better ways havent come around now.
in my opinion cleanliness in a main issue here - i look at my 10 and 8 yr old and if they werent circd they are so dang lazy about hygiene now ( cant wait for a few yrs when foour showers a day comes as was the same experience with my eldest ) i am sure that had they not been theyd also be having many infections and such - and sorry but at 8 an 10 i sure as heck aint doing it for em lol.
Honestly, one of the reasons men who have been circ'd continue to defend it is, because the reality of something being stolen from you at birth that was your God-given right is too painful to fully accept. It's like you wouldn't even want to "go there," and honestly, I don't blame you. Men who have needed a circ later in life, are devastated when they realize how the loss of foreskin takes away from their sexual pleasure. Many of them become severely depressed over it. They compare the intact member to a Hummer, and the circ'd member to a Yugo. It sounds funny, but truly it is not. Not remembering the procedure, is really not the issue.
It's easier and less painful to perpetuate the myth of circ'ing than to face the reality of it. This is why so many fathers want their boys to look like them and male docs keep encouraging their patients to circ their boys. This runs very deep in the male psyche, no doubt. We are talking about their memberES! Enough said.
i guess if i never had a hummer i wouldnt know what i was missing so it wouldnt matter lol ( id rather honestly have a yugo to a hummer anyhow - hummers are ugly in my opinion LOL) . or kinda like taking money out of your paycheck for savings - if you dont see it you wont miss it vs trying to put it in savings myself lol. and by the way - 2 of my boys pediatrician was women and they advocate for circing also so dont think it can just be blamed on a male thing. further more neither my ex ( dad of first son ) and my current hubby ( father of last 2 ) neither had an opinion either way. was my choice to do it they didnt have a clue about the difference- and acording to my current hubby he didnt care to even know ( lol tad bashful when it comes to talking anything medical about anyones member lol)
Spidey's mom, ADN, BSN, RN
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Thanks for clearing that up . . . .
steph