The business of being a CRNA

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Do CRNA schools touch upon the business side of anesthesia? I know medical schools teach this aspect. Are the dynamics involved in working privately vs. being a salaried employee in a hospital discussed? Do programs teach business strategies to maximize the potential of practicing anesthesia? Can you even do "freelance" work so to speak........

Fine, Whatever. Does anyone have info on CRNA curriculum and having sections on business of being a CRNA.

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His claim: med schools teach business classes

My claim: no they dont

I dont care about his claims about CRNA training, I wasnt addressing that at all. He made a claim that was totally unsupported by evidence, and I called him out on it and proved him wrong with an internet link to the med school program he cited. Case closed.

Get a grip. :deadhorse

The OP's question did not ask about CLASSES. He said "do CRNA schools touch upon the business side of anesthesia? I know medical schools teach this aspect". Nothing in that question and statement says that "med schools teach business classes" which is what you claim he claimed, which he didn't. He doesn't get into specifics at all - you went down that road trying to stir the pot and prove your own point, which no one really cared about to begin with.

Although a medical school and/or residency program might not have a "business class", I would be willing to bet that either in specific lectures or as part of others (not a CLASS), the "business side" of healthcare is discussed at one or more times. And I'm sure there are plenty of nurse anesthesia programs that might not have a "business class" that still talk about the "business of nurse anesthesia".

I didn't have a "class" on succinylcholine either (I still can't find it in the course catalog online 25 years later) but I'm sure it was discussed many times in a variety of settings througout anesthesia school.

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Yoga CRNA please clear some space in your mailbox- I would like to send a PM Please, Thanks:)

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The OP's question did not ask about CLASSES.

Oh please now you are playing semantics games. I dont care if you are talking about classes, training, lectures, whatever. He made a claim about Loyola and I proved him wrong. He made a claim about med schools in general and I proved him wrong.

Loyola gets a 1 hour lecture on healthcare "economics" which has NOTHING to do with the topics he discussed in his first post.

He said "do CRNA schools touch upon the business side of anesthesia? I know medical schools teach this aspect". Nothing in that question and statement says that "med schools teach business classes" which is what you claim he claimed, which he didn't.

Med schools dont teach business classes, they dont give lectures on business, they dont talk about the business aspects of practice, they dont cover the topics he listed in his original post. Is that broad enough for you? I proved him wrong on ALL those aspects related to his claims about Loyola.

He doesn't get into specifics at all - you went down that road trying to stir the pot and prove your own point, which no one really cared about to begin with.

Wrong. He obviously cared about it, because he took the time try and offer a rebuttal, making claims that he couldnt back up. Maybe YOU didnt care about it at the time, but now you obviously care enough to get involved in a conversation that had NOTHING to do with you.

So obviously since you decided to respond to something that did NOT involve you at all, YOU MUST CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE AS WELL.

Although a medical school and/or residency program might not have a "business class", I would be willing to bet that either in specific lectures or as part of others (not a CLASS), the "business side" of healthcare is discussed at one or more times.

Not at Loyola, which is what he claimed. I know it doesnt happen at 7 other med schools either. I put the same challenge to you. Lets start up a poll on studentdoctor.com and ask them how many of their med schools cover the topics that are listed in his post. I'll put up a wager that they DO NOT cover those topics.

I didn't have a "class" on succinylcholine either (I still can't find it in the course catalog online 25 years later) but I'm sure it was discussed many times in a variety of settings througout anesthesia school.

Red herring logical fallacy and false analogy. I posted a link to the Loyola online curriculum which gives a summary of EACH AND EVERY LECTURE THE MED STUDENTS TAKE. Not only that, but I specifically asked a person who just graduated from Loyola and she confirmed that the online lecture listing is correct and that they do NOT receive any lectures, classes, training, discussion, etc on the topics that he posted at the beginning of the thread.

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Specializes in ICU, Surgery.

Popcorn anyone? Butter?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

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Platon,

I take issue with your tone and the content of your posts. In reviewing your previous posts, I notice you are a nurse practitioner and not a CRNA. This board is for and by those who have an interest in the nurse anesthetist profession. We are sincere in assisting those who want to go into anesthesia, mentoring our young and sharing our education and clinical experiences. I have difficulty with anyone who posts on this forum who promotes their own militancy or agenda. Perhaps it makes you feel better to have proven a poster wrong, but to my mind, it makes you look small and non-professional.

I left this board before because of the arrogance and ignorance of people who had no interest in anesthesia. I won't leave again, but you better be prepared to explain why we should take you seriously and how you think your arrogance will better the nurse anesthetist profession or the patients we care for.

yoga crna

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Platon,

I take issue with your tone and the content of your posts. In reviewing your previous posts, I notice you are a nurse practitioner and not a CRNA. This board is for and by those who have an interest in the nurse anesthetist profession. We are sincere in assisting those who want to go into anesthesia, mentoring our young and sharing our education and clinical experiences. I have difficulty with anyone who posts on this forum who promotes their own militancy or agenda. Perhaps it makes you feel better to have proven a poster wrong, but to my mind, it makes you look small and non-professional.

I left this board before because of the arrogance and ignorance of people who had no interest in anesthesia. I won't leave again, but you better be prepared to explain why we should take you seriously and how you think your arrogance will better the nurse anesthetist profession or the patients we care for.

yoga crna

So any post which does not "better the nurse anesthetist position or the patients we care for" is not acceptable huh? Wow thats an extremely thin scope and 90% of the posts would get deleted if we use that criteria.

I'm not "promoting any militancy or agenda" I simply call it as I see it. I'm having a debate with someone on this board who disagrees with me. If you dont like it, then dont read it and go post on the other threads. Nobody is holding a gun to your head here. According to the terms of service on this board, as long as I dont use personal insults (nowhere in any of my posts was there any personal insult) then its fair game.

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According to the terms of service on this board, as long as I dont use personal insults (nowhere in any of my posts was there any personal insult) then its fair game.

That is what the problem is--anesthesia is not a game. It is deadly serious, which is why we are looking for the best and brightest for our profession. Also, having graduated from law school, I understand a lot about debates. In my opinion, you are not involved in a "healthy debate", but are posturing to belittle someone.

Of course, you may post anywhere you want, but I wish you would explain the relevance of your opinions on this particular board. I am much more interested in clinical and professional anesthesia issues. Please feel free to share your anesthesia knowledge with us.

yoga crna

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so any post which does not "better the nurse anesthetist position or the patients we care for" is not acceptable huh? wow thats an extremely thin scope and 90% of the posts would get deleted if we use that criteria.

i'm not "promoting any militancy or agenda" i simply call it as i see it. i'm having a debate with someone on this board who disagrees with me. if you dont like it, then dont read it and go post on the other threads. nobody is holding a gun to your head here. according to the terms of service on this board, as long as i dont use personal insults (nowhere in any of my posts was there any personal insult) then its fair game.

i think you missed a few points on the tos. let me pull them out for you. no, not just for you, but these parts seem to get violated a lot in this forums. if these are followed this whole area of the boards will be much more pleasant to use.

"remember what you agreed to upon signup: you will not use this bb to post free advertising or solicitations, any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. you agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this bb. "

"debates

we promote the idea of lively debate. this means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. "

far too many posts have been to argue points that are not even the focus of the topic. it can be very much constrewed as harrassing, hateful, or defamitory, especially when it keeps getting harped on over and over, even when so many are asking you to let it go. to take up an old quote, "why can't we all just get along?"

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Like it or not medicine is a business. Med schools do include some of the business aspects in their education. Like JWK said it may not be an entire class but there are lectures, conferences etc. They would be short-changing their students if this type of material was not included, IMHO. How do I know...I work at a teaching institution. I can pull some of the material up from the website. In fact, there is a syllabus and lecture from the ANESTHESIA department about setting up a practice, making your CV, finding a job, insurance, benefits, taxes the whole nine yards. Frankly, anyone who thinks this stuff isn't taught SOMEWHERE along the way of a medical education is quite ignorant of the process and hasn't really been around it.

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Like it or not medicine is a business. Med schools do include some of the business aspects in their education. Like JWK said it may not be an entire class but there are lectures, conferences etc. They would be short-changing their students if this type of material was not included, IMHO. How do I know...I work at a teaching institution. I can pull some of the material up from the website. In fact, there is a syllabus and lecture from the ANESTHESIA department about setting up a practice, making your CV, finding a job, insurance, benefits, taxes the whole nine yards. Frankly, anyone who thinks this stuff isn't taught SOMEWHERE along the way of a medical education is quite ignorant of the process and hasn't really been around it.

I didnt say it wasnt taught anywhere, I said it wasnt taught during medical school. You are confusing residency with medical school. They are 2 very separate things.

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Specializes in I know stuff ;).

Hey Plat

Why continue to argue this point?

The only things that should get this heated are religion and politics.

Who for those topics!!

I didnt say it wasnt taught anywhere, I said it wasnt taught during medical school. You are confusing residency with medical school. They are 2 very separate things.
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