Students were acting very nice to the instrutor to pass the class!

rnmi2004 · Jan 6, 2005

I am going to nursing school in the Fall 2004. The school let me take the Nutrition class at a nearby community college so I would not have to take it when I am at nursing school. Community college, some of these students are not suitable for college. I mean, they skip class, sleep in class, do not pay attention in class, don't know what is going on, etc. The instructor knows that.

If some students chose not to take their education seriously, it is not the fault of the CC or how its admission process is run. You will find students like this at all types of schools. And it is not your problem. You made your grades honestly and that's all that matters. You have no idea what the whole situation was with the classmate that spoke to the instructor and you don't know how the instructor will ultimately handle it.

Fraggle · Jan 6, 2005

I'm not sure you can associate moral ethics with pay. You either have ethics or you don't.

Another Ditto. Regarding the Community Colleges, i go to one and it's a good program. But what he's saying is about the Open Enrollment. You have more dropouts in schools that don't have the strictest entrance requirements. So if your entrance requirement is a 3.0 + etc you have fewer failing students. If you allow anyone with a 2.0 into the nursing class, more people will be failing b/c they tend to not be the best students for the tests. In general, of course. Some Community Colleges are more strict than others, though.

I would think he's probably trying to avoid a scene and will speak with her in private.

not now, RN · Jan 6, 2005

In my program two awards are given out at graduation. One is for highest overall GPA in the program (we all know who's getting that only one person in the program has pulled off straight A's) and the other is for best clinical performance/improvement. One woman in our class has the best chance of getting that award, not because she's an outstanding nurse but because she brown noses every clinical instructor we had/have. She stops them in the parking lot to chat, talks to them during clinicals, is the first one to run up and talk to them, bla, bla, bla.

I'm not saying I deserve the award but there are two students who blow her out of the water with their skills/bedside manor and all around critical thinking skills yet our instructors overlook them and single her out as the most responsible and better student. It's frustrating to say the least but what can I do about it? Nothing. So we sit back and let her bask in the glory and pray that our insturctors see more than we think they do.

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN · Jan 6, 2005

I am taking a nutrition class over the summer right now and it ended today. I am a guy. I studied really hard to pass the exams and I put a lot of effort into it. And there was this one lady student who failed both her exams. She talked to the instrutor today after the final about making sure she passes! And the instructor did not seem to have a problem with that. I do not think it is fair. I know many people are failing that class because it is an open enrollment, community college. Also, the instrutor who is a man seems to be really nice to the female students. I think they are urging him on to pass the course. About 65% of the grade is on the exams and about 35% is on a paper we have to write. I guess that on writing the paper, those female students will get a 100%. I do not think it is fair to base grades on who the instructor likes and who the instuructor does not like. To be fair, he should have failed that lady who failed both of her exams.

How do you know that everything you said is 100% true? How do you know that she went to talk to the instructor to make sure she passes? Did you hear everything they both said?

Fraggle · Jan 7, 2005

I'm not saying I deserve the award but there are two students who blow her out of the water with their skills/bedside manor and all around critical thinking skills yet our instructors overlook them and single her out as the most responsible and better student. It's frustrating to say the least but what can I do about it? Nothing. So we sit back and let her bask in the glory and pray that our insturctors see more than we think they do.

Recognition always comes to those who make themselves known. Not saying it's right or anything. But if you really value recognition by others, you have to make yourself known. To a lot of us, that's bragging or immodest, so we don't do it. In which case, you have to be happy just knowing that you are good. It similar to the studies that show women are less likely than men to ask for raises, bargain for higher wages, titles, etc.

I try to balance the two. Know and enjoy my accomplishments, but not go out of my way for recognition (it's just not "me.") But also try to compliment or say something nice to others when I notice something they've done well. B/c once in a while, I hope that will come back to me too. :rolleyes:

CarVsTree · Jan 8, 2005

Sorry. Its not fair. But this happens...I think especially at community colleges too.
You don't pay the teachers enough=they don't feel as obligated to keep up with the moral ethics of being a teacher and part of the education system.

That is the most preposterous post I've ever seen. Maybe even beats the lack of trustworthiness of tatooed individuals that someone went on and on about.

Now 4 year professors are more obligated to keep up with moral ethics...

:uhoh3:

How much pay exactly is required to be obligated to "moral ethics? What in the heck is moral ethics? Is moral ethics when you allow your decisions to "be moral" to be based on your salary. Morality, ethics, kinda sorta same thing, yet different, but very closely related. Neither of which within the framework of our society are driven by the mighty dollar.

Also, what is the payscale difference between instructors at a 2 year and 4 year school. Are private schools with higher pay scales more obligated to morality?

Are rich CEO's that get multi-million dollar bonuses and still rape the employees by embezzling funds and lying about financials (Enron, MCI) really, reallly obligated to be moral 'cause they're really, really rich?

manna, BSN, RN · Jan 8, 2005

Life is not always going to be fair. There are always going to be people who are willing to lie, cheat, or steal to get what they want.

What I don't understand is why are you wasting your precious energy worrying about being liked or disliked by this instructor, or how he treats fellow students?

As long as you know that you are upholding your own standards of conduct and doing what you feel is right, I wouldn't waste any more time worrying about it. :)

And as for those who are upset about not being recognized when others are brown-nosing... I think its difficult for people to learn to be pleased with themselves for having done the best job they could - we always want that outside affirmation. I think it's just part of becoming self content, although that's certainly an area I need to work on myself. :)

SarasotaRN2b · Jan 9, 2005

While this is from an old post, I'm sure that it is not a unique situation. It's true though, it's not fair but it does happen. Just think of it this way...students may get through classes like that, but what about when it comes to taking the NCLEX? They won't stand a chance unless they have prepared well.

The only recourse you really have is for your own grades and if for some reason you were getting a lower grade than your class work would average, you can appeal it. There have been times when I have had an 89 and wound up getting an A. Was that unfair...is there really that much of a difference between an 89 and a 90? Usually, though if an instructor gives you that little bump it is because (I want to believe this) the student has been an active participant in the class.

JMHO,

Kris

venus fae · Jan 9, 2005

we do share same emotion.i myself study hard stay late at night in order to pass exams,quizzes..and its really unfair knowing that your giving your best even sacrificing not give yourself pleasure that you wanted most in order to pass and yet you see that some of your classmates were not even exerting effort to study and yet they pass that subject.like when i enrolled last semester in anatomy and physiology class of mine here in a University in the Phil.time comes that i dont even had sleep at night in order to review hard then come final grades my classmate who is a happy go lucky type and i really witnessed that all of her exams come written or practical were all failed and yet she pass.how unfair!

not now, RN · Jan 9, 2005

Recognition always comes to those who make themselves known. Not saying it's right or anything. But if you really value recognition by others, you have to make yourself known. To a lot of us, that's bragging or immodest, so we don't do it. In which case, you have to be happy just knowing that you are good. It similar to the studies that show women are less likely than men to ask for raises, bargain for higher wages, titles, etc.

True. Of the two who work better than she is one also happens to be the most passive person I've ever met. The other is too busy with her own life to bother with such brown nosing.

I guess what gets me it the fact that she's so...fake. She knows everyone in town, has a story for everything, has the perfect life, ect. She once claimed to know my father "I've spoken to him on the phone plenty of times at work" but when I brought up her name he looked at me and said "Who the heck is that?" :rotfl: