Strange experience yesterday, feedback please...

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First, I didn't get into any difficulty or trouble. Phew. LOL. But this experience has me a bit baffled...

I'm a second semester student, doing a med/surg rotation on a trauma/neuro floor. I am utterly loving it...it can get really hairy, but hey, that's all right. Yesterday was one of those hairy days, though...and I ended up getting 'talked to' by my instructor.

I had two patients, both who discharged before I got on the floor. So I picked up two more, and then ended up giving one to another student. So then I got a third, who was comfort care/DNR/DNI. His family was there, and I did my assessment and charted. While I was charting, the fire alarm went off...and locked down the elevators.

No big deal, right? Except, it was during shift change, and half of the student nurses were downstairs taking a break, half the RNs were trying to get up to the floor, and the RNs on the floor were off-floor, waiting to give report to their replacements who were stuck downstairs. Our instructor was downstairs, too...and he doesn't have a cell phone. :o

So this one patient had both her regular nurse going off shift, and her student nurse was on break. This patient was reporting 10/10 of pain, and I was one of three SNs on the floor (we normally have 9). I chased down her RN(literally...quite literally), and told the RN. Who looked at me, said "well, I want to go home. I'll let the other RN deal with it." The other RN was NOT on the floor, but this RN was not going to even check the chart for PRNs for the patient. And since she wasn't my patient, I had no real idea what was going on. I grabbed the chart, looked at what was up (chest tube placement this afternoon, only motrin given 4 hours earlier, mets Ca brain/lung), and there was no order for anything stronger than motrin.

Long story short, I went to the RN again, asked what I could do, and she just told me again "I'm going home. Let the next RN deal with it." I'm sorry; the patient is in incredible pain, crying, muscle guarding, grimacing, praying out loud to die, freaking her kids...and my instructor and her SN were stuck downstairs, her RN wants to go home...so after checking my two patients, I went to the charge nurse.

I explained what was going on (she was also stuck because of the fire alarm), and told her I can't take phone orders. She said to page the Dr. on call, explain what was happening, that I was an SN, and that I couldn't do phone orders...and see what the Dr. said. Well, I did it, and the Dr. was on the floor (but another wing), and came right over to get the order written so we had something we could give. All this time, I'm back and forth to the pt's room, asking her to hang on, I was working on the meds, just hang tight, and reassuring her children that I was working on things as fast as I could. Ended up having an NA walk the order to the pharmacy because our fax machine was down...and about 20 minutes later, the meds were in the pyxis. The fire alarm had ended, elevators were working again, my instructor came back to the whirlwind, and I had him let me into the pyxis and we got the meds into the pt and 30 minutes later she was reporting 2/10. YAY. I gave report to the new RN, and filled in the SN as to what had happened, and went back to my pts (who were all just fine...).

After our shift ended, my instructor asked if he could talk to me. He wanted to know what the heck had happened that I was med-passing to a patient who wasn't mine, how come I'd called the Dr for an order, et cetera. I explained everything to him, and asked if I was in trouble.

He looked at me and said "you're doing what we are teaching you to do...patients are first, their comfort is priority, and I would've done the same thing." I was relieved...but then he said "but the problem is, you have to let the RN go home when it's time...they look unorganized if they work unauthorized overtime, and we are a 24-hour hospital, and the new RN should've done it." I reiterated the issues (fire alarm, people stuck up and down stairs, et cetera), and he said "no, you did the right thing...I would've done the same. But just be cautious about that in the future; you don't want the RNs to look bad for not getting things done in time."

Like I said, it was strange...I completely get his feedback, I understand the rationale. But I also had a patient in 10/10, whose nurse was not willing to do anything even though she was stuck upstairs during a fire alarm, and didn't even want to start the process of getting meds for the pt. because she wanted to go home. My instructor did say "if I had been up here, what would you have done?" and I told him "of course I'd've gone to you, but since you weren't, I went to the charge nurse." He then asked what I'd've done if the charge nurse had said to wait and relax, and I said I'd've just waited and relaxed...but the charge nurse told me what to say to the Dr., so I was able to adhere to the SN status and issues, as well as take care of the issue at hand.

Again, I got into no trouble...and my patient and her family were so appreciative. Even said something to our instructor about how caring I was. So again, no problems, but definitely strange.

What would you have done, and what is your opinion about what I did? I am wondering if I indeed overstepped a boundary, but my instructor assured me I hadn't and that he'd've done the same thing...but it was just...strange.

As a final note, my patients were all doing well during this time, so no worries that I had ignored their needs. And the other SN didn't have any problems with me helping while she was on break.

Just interested in your feedback. Thanks in advance...

Best-

Lovin' Learning

Specializes in Wilderness Medicine, ICU, Adult Ed..

Great job, LovingLearning! You did the right thing in a bizarre situation. Get used to it. Once you start practicing as an RN, you are going to find yourself in many situations in which there is no way to provide proper care for the patient, and also follow routine procedure. Just part of the job. I hope, when those situations come up (and trust me, they will - often!) that you continue to use creativity and good judgment to meet the needs of your patient. As for your instructor's concern about, "making the nurses look bad," I do not agree. The one who made the nurses look bad was the RN who walked off the floor leaving her patient in unrelieved pain. Your good judgment and intelligent problem solving makes us look great! You are going to be one terrific nurse. I envy your future patients.

Lead on!

I was like you as a student, never timid of jumping in and helping. Just make sure you communicate well to your instructor when things happen. I was selected for an award for my clinical performance, and I can't say I did anything better than anyone else, but I was enthusiastic and talked to the instructors about things without being fearful. I was just so thrilled to be able to make a difference.

I think the instructor wanted to show you the other side of the coin. On the daily basis nurses are told they are not allowed to have overtime, and if they have it they are told they are disorganized. They want nurses to be able to pass the torch to the next shift and leave promptly when the shift ends, no matter what is going on around them. As students it is easy to get wrapped up in things, but as nurses sometimes we have to trust the next shift to handle it.

Don't worry, it sounds like everything is fine.

Specializes in Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

What you demonstrated was critical thinking. Numerous options, all with drawbacks, no single clear choice. You considered all the options, then put the patient's welfare first. If the nurse responsible for the patient's care is not on the floor, who is officially responsible for that pt? There should be someone ON the floor assigned to cover for just this sort of thing. You did accesss the chain of command by conuslting with the charge nurse and you did check on your own patients first. If I were the nurse for this patient I would be most grateful to you for bridging the gap in care. As far as your actions were concerned, I say "well done". As for whoever plans coverage for the floor, perhaps they will try to use this incident to formulate a better back-up plan. It could be argued that an RN leaving the floor without another RN accepting care of a patient could be accused of abandonment, raising as sorts of potential legal issues.

I'm quite impressed with how you handled it. You had many excuses available to you not to get involved (I'm only a student; not my patient; her RN doesn't care so why should I) but you put the patient first and stuck out your own neck to get her needs met. I can understand why you were "talked to"--it wasn't that you did something wrong, he just wanted to be clued in on what was going on.

You did well no doubt about it you kept on fighting for your patient long after others would have given up. Your instructor seems to be very wise, nursing is strange, it does invoke uncomfortable feelings, it does sometimes feel as though nurses will continue to eat their young for ever. The main thing is that the bottom line is that you did all you could to make your patient more comfortable and you succeeded, if an RN ended up with a bruised ego thats tough we nurse better if we leave our egos at he door any way. This will have been a very rich experience for you reflecting ( Suggest Bortons developmental frameork for this one Jasper M 2003 Beginning Reflective Practice - Foundations in Nursing and Health Care Nelson Thornes. Cheltenham) will continue to help you make sense of this episode, keep up the good work Carlos

Specializes in ICU of all kinds, CVICU, Cath Lab, ER..

Congratulations! You are going to be the best of the best. Any nurse who has experienced fierce, unrelenting, and unrelieved pain can relate to your patient's plight. It is the nurse's job to relieve that pain (I realize at the end of the shift, there can be complications for the off-going and the on-coming nurses, however, perhaps some foresight could have prevented it).....motrin for chest tube pain????? Find me a more "in-tune-with-the-times" doctor......

You can be my nurse anytime!!

Specializes in Ortho, Neuro, Surgical, Renal, Oncology.

If I'm ever in the need of nurse, I hope you are mine.:yeah:

Specializes in Medsurg, Homecare, Infusion, Psych/Detox.

The patients are assigned to all and any nurse, including SN, who are on the floor. It is always improper to state, "that's not my pt, or I'm not your nurse".

YOU ABSOLUTELY WERE BEING ASSERTIVE!!

To the OP: I am a nursing instructor. First, I NEVER leave the floor when I have students on the floor. I am responsible for them. Second, my students are expected to answer lights. If they need something for a patient, I go to the staff member and it gets done. I would be proud for you to be one of my students. You were right, IMHO (25 years experience as a floor nurse, 5 years as an NP.)

daytonite - If as a student I went to ANY of my charge nurses with this info they would JUMP up and go and assess the pt instead of having a student nurse handle the situation BUT if the charge nurse had enough emergencies of her own and had recognized that Love Learning was a bright caring person able to handle a phone call to a dr then perhaps delegating this was necessary. If the nurse going off duty cared about her pt she would have gone and checked on him/her - at our hospital we would call this situation "abandonment" and you're right this nurse going off duty is EXACTLY the type of nurse that would then go and complain that she was being "outshined". My advice to Love Learning - don't quit caring about your patients - you did an EXCELLENT job and think twice before taking a job on that unit after graduation!

You had your patient first in mind. Congratulations to you, that is the best way to be the best nurse. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like the RN assigned to the patient is anywhere near your league. Yes, hospitals are 24 hour facilities and yes overtime is especially being frowned upon right now with the economy, but there is NO excuse for ignoring 10/10 pain or to let it for the next shift. Till report was finished and the nurse "got around to it" this patient could have been at this level of pain for several hours! Beyond unacceptable. The other nurse should really have taken initiative to care for this patient's pain and there should have been a better prn pain med ordered than motrin to begin with. Perhaps this should have been considered by the nurse who accepted that patient assignment for the day...check the MAR, check the chart...critical thinking. I am a NICU nurse, but I can tell you that the first thing I do after report is check my MAR and consider what is going on with my patient.

I also think your nursing instructor demonstrated poor judgment in his explanation. He may think he is teaching you reality, but he is supposed to be teaching you nursing. I refuse to believe that looking unorganized or having to explain overtime should in any way come before patient care and pain relief.

Stick to your guns...you will be an awesome nurse..it can be easy to let these negative attitudes get to you...so DONT. Do exactly the same thing the next time for your patient.

Laura

I think that you were ABSOLUTELY right in being the patient advocate...As a nurse I could not in good conscience let my DYING patient lay there in pain and not address it...just want to go home :banghead: and I do not understand why your instructor was concerned about the off going nurse...shame on her. I do however agree that the nurse manager should have been the one to address the problem, not a student.

Thanks for the support, you guys...I appreciate it a lot. There has been zero issues regarding this event, literally NONE. Apparently, no complaints from staff, none from my instructor, and none from the patient, so I figure it's all good.

As a matter of fact, I had a patient this week who was very, very ill...with no dx. When I was done with my day, my instructor (who'd helped me carry out Drs orders that were new, et cetera), told me I was a very good nurse, and was able to take excellent care of my patients. So I'm pretty satisfied with that, going into midterms and rotation shifting.

Thanks again, everyone. I do appreciate the feedback and support.

Best-

Lovin' Learning

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