Some MD's can be a bit thick

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Ok....so I get a patient tonight who is having probs with his PEG tube that was just replaced yesterday. I got in report that he kept throwing up his feeding (which was going at 20cc/hour). Kept throwing it up out of his NOSE no less. So I go into assess him and I decide to verify placement with an airbolus.....guess what happened? Feeding shot out of his nose! So I turn off the feeding and page the GI doctor, who of course didnt return my call. So I call the primary, who is SUCH and ******, and tell him what happened....hes like, "I cant do anything about it! Turn off the feeding." Well DUH.....so I say to him, "Can I order an abdominal xray at least?" He says, "Fine. Go ahead." and hangs up on me.

So guess what the xray said? PEG tube is laying above the upper abdomen.

I call the primary (because GI is STILL not returning my calls) and he says, "You need to tell GI!" I holler back, "I know that! Hes not answering my calls, so I have to tell someone!" He says, "Fine!" and hangs up again.

ARRRRGHHHHHHH!!!

*deep breath*

K, I feel better now.:banghead:

I'm glad you called the PCP. That was a serious aspiration risk that needed immediate attention. If that patient aspirated and developed pneumonia (tube feeding is nothing but food for bacteria) days later you have well covered your self. As nurses we know the PCP is going to yell for "being bothered," but it is likely that same PCP would have thrown you under the buss in court. Good Job!@!@!@!

Specializes in Hospice, Critical Care.

My institution's policy would be to call the department head at this point. So the director of surgical services would have received a telephone call. (Following proper channels....notify person in charge--charge nurse, supervisor, whomever--then calling the Dept. Head.) Although most likely the only order you'd have received from the GI doc would have been to "turn off the feeding and I'll see him in the morning" anyway. Still, his/her responsibility is to RETURN the page!

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Since moving to Florida, I learned other offensive phrases that I used, such as "you people". )

Oh my gosh!! I would SOOOOO be offending people! I use that ALL the time!

Specializes in ICU.

what ended up happening?

did they do the abd xray? or even a chest xray?

not answering calls is just not ok .....in some instances, it's unavoidable, ie if they're in the middle of a code etc, but purposefully not responding... not good....

hope this poor pt doesn't wind up w/ aspiration pneumonia.:crying2:

Specializes in ER.
as the parent of a child with a developmentally disablity, i will agree and chime in that medical professionals never use the term 'retarded' or mental retardation with us ....... however, . I really appreciate you editing your post as i really dont think people realize how rude a term it is even if they do not mean it that way. I seriously report and talk to mangament of EVERY person i hear use that term when they are on duty and i am a customer. So if i hear a clerk at a grocery, i write coporate AND talk to their manager. if im at a hospital and heard that while there as a patients parent i would write the coporate and department head with names.

I do not do that with co-workers or classmates because its a different relationship but it is good to know because Im not the only person that does that. lol and if you tick the wrong parent off that has the right connections you will have about 600 parents write your boss. i have seen it happen through our networking group and people loose jobs over such things on more than one occasion.

Sorry about the jerky drs.

Whoa, way to overreact...:argue: 600 letters for one stupid remark?

If someone would email me every time the PC term gets changed I would try my best to stay up to date. Not so long ago mentally retarded WAS the PC term, and it doesn't have negative connotations when used to describe the patient's actual condition. Now if I call some one retarded that is just being a dummy, but isn't actually low IQ- that's rude, and degrading to those that actually have a disability.

IMO, someone with a low IQ that is trying their best is smarter than a genius who lazes and pontificates.

Update on the pt for those who are interested.

Abd xray stated that tube was overlying the top of the stomach. GI doc came in the next day and said that the "stupid nurses" dont know what they are talking about. He ordered a gastrogaffin xray, which showed.......

*drum roll*

The tip of the PEG extends into the cervical esophagus.

The patient now has aspiration pneumonia.

Id write more but Im too furious about the whole incident and feel powerless.

Specializes in Telemetry, Oncology, Progressive Care.
what ended up happening?

did they do the abd xray? or even a chest xray?

not answering calls is just not ok .....in some instances, it's unavoidable, ie if they're in the middle of a code etc, but purposefully not responding... not good....

hope this poor pt doesn't wind up w/ aspiration pneumonia.:crying2:

i seriously doubt that gi doc was in a code. and even if he was tied up he could have eventually called in the required timeframe they have to respond to pages.

Specializes in Telemetry, Oncology, Progressive Care.
Update on the pt for those who are interested.

Abd xray stated that tube was overlying the top of the stomach. GI doc came in the next day and said that the "stupid nurses" dont know what they are talking about. He ordered a gastrogaffin xray, which showed.......

*drum roll*

The tip of the PEG extends into the cervical esophagus.

The patient now has aspiration pneumonia.

Id write more but Im too furious about the whole incident and feel powerless.

Good for you for taking such quick action. Now who doesn't know what they're talking about - the specialist or the nurse? I don't blame you for being furious. I would be too.

Specializes in NICU.

Abd xray stated that tube was overlying the top of the stomach. GI doc came in the next day and said that the "stupid nurses" dont know what they are talking about.

What a... well, it RHYMES with thick...

Being good today. Don't wanna get banned.

Update on the pt for those who are interested.

Abd xray stated that tube was overlying the top of the stomach. GI doc came in the next day and said that the "stupid nurses" dont know what they are talking about. He ordered a gastrogaffin xray, which showed.......

*drum roll*

The tip of the PEG extends into the cervical esophagus.

The patient now has aspiration pneumonia.

Id write more but Im too furious about the whole incident and feel powerless.

Horrible. I'm a new nurse so just wondering what happens in situations like this. As he didn't answer his page and the patient now has aspiration pneumonia does an incident report get turned in or is any internal action taken against the doctor?! Does his department head get notified?! Did the doctor you had to call as the GI didn't answer make a complaint?! I would hate to think it all gets swept under the rug. Just looking to learn. You're a good nurse. :heartbeat

Specializes in ICU.
I seriously doubt that gi doc was in a code. And even if he was tied up he could have eventually called in the required timeframe they have to respond to pages.

I didn't say the GI doctor probably was in a code - I said "in some instances " and it goes without saying that they need to respond ASAP.

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