So disappointed with on-line program

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There were a number of reasons that my only option for APRN education was an on-line program. I'm the primary wage earner in our household of five and have to be able to keep working full time during school. Proximity to a brick and mortar program was also an issue. I've taken on-line classes before and I very much believe that you get out what you put in. So, it is my intention to make myself prepared to practice competently, and I've lined up some people that I really think will be excellent preceptors to help me in that respect. However, I have to say that the quality of the education is poor at best. The "advanced" pathophysiology and pharmacology courses largely consist of multiple choice exams and a lot of meaningless busywork assignments that I find to be on par with any undergraduate course I have taken over the years. I have found my own resources for lectures and information, but I think it's a sad state that this is the level of education I'm paying for from an institution, which I researched ahead of time and found was decently rated as an on-line program. I'm in the AGACNP program, and conceivably I could be hired as an acute care hospitalist. The same position that physicians with four years of medical school, residencies and advanced training, hold in our local hospitals. When I started, that was one end goal I was considering as a career path, but now I have concerns about my own readiness for that position when I finish. And it scares me for patients. I still have my clinical courses to complete, so maybe it's just too early to say, but the academic courses I have taken so far are a joke. And I have seen posts from many classmates that are struggling, which makes me wonder about the admission process, which I found a little lacking and probably should have been my first red flag.

I'm not trying to insult all on-line programs and students, and again, I know that in this learning format I'm responsible for making sure that I will be a competent APRN. But the lack of lectures, or interactive experiences from faculty, make it feel like they're just taking my money. (For example, I handed in an 8 page paper and 8 hours later had a 100% with no feedback other than "excellent". Did the professor even read it?!) I think as a profession, we are doing a disservice to well trained APRNs by turning out potentially unprepared APRNs. I understand that everyone still has to get licensed, but if you know how to take standardized tests, I think many people can pass a multiple choice exam with less than comprehensive knowledge of any subject.

I'm not sure how to wrap this up. Looking for other people's experience, thoughts, and maybe whether any practicing APRNs (if they check this board), found that the on-the-job training after school really filled in the gaps to lead to competent practice. I think we all know that coming out of nursing school we weren't really prepared to be nurses right away, so is this the same thing and I'm just being a little paranoid? Any thoughts appreciated.

Let the cream rise to the top I guess. And I think you are mature enough not to be going boohoo and trying to shame this person. But, you are probably better than the OP and everyone else around you. So I hope you keep moving in a positive direction and helping others in your community as well. Cheers

First of all, I'm obviously not too mature to "boohoo" someone who comes on here decrying their poor education but then immediately turns around and defends their poor decision. Too bad, so sad.

Second, the problem with your "let the cream rise to the top" mindset is that pretty soon there will be very little "cream" as the "cream" will be over run by dredge.

There are 2 options here. First is that NP hopefuls stop using their life circumstances as an excuse to attend crappy schools. Children, working, geographical location, is not a good excuse to ruin our profession and ultimately put patients at risk. So NPs and NP hopefuls need to rise up and demand change - unanimously.

Or second, patients will soon see the discrepancies, physicians will use this as leverage against us, and we can kiss FPA goodbye.

How we can, as a group, just blow off these schools and their poor matriculants, yet continue to push equivalency with physicians is just beyond me.

Thank you. I've looked into two schools that are remotely possible because they're closer, and I'd have to quit my job because of the class schedules. They're structured in such as way that any shift work is nearly impossible (8am - 4pm alternating days). I'm currently only doing one course at a time, and I've invested my time and money into additional resources, so I can be prepared. I think one good thing about the exploding on-line education phenomenon is that there are good resources on sites like youtube to complement educations. It's just annoying that I'm leaning far more from these resources than from my school.

Can you work weekend nights option? I did it for as long as I could and it worked great. The exploding online education is not great for the NP's future. I totally understand that you want a great job but you will need a good education to get there, sadly I think many online schools are taking advantage of a situation and making money off students who just want a better standard of living. I know when you went to nursing school is wasn't easy nor convenient and I am sure the school had their own set of problems. No school is perfect but don't do yourself an injustice by staying in a program you know is crap especially if you are paying them. You want to be an excellent ACNP student then provider so find a school that will help you get there not hinder you along the way. The program is only going to get harder as you go so find a better school if you can. Also doing one class at a time is a good pace if you plan on staying there and make sure you learn as much as you can from clinicals.

Good luck

Just my 2 cents

Specializes in Critical Care.
First of all, I'm obviously not too mature to "boohoo" someone who comes on here decrying their poor education but then immediately turns around and defends their poor decision. Too bad, so sad.

Second, the problem with your "let the cream rise to the top" mindset is that pretty soon there will be very little "cream" as the "cream" will be over run by dredge.

There are 2 options here. First is that NP hopefuls stop using their life circumstances as an excuse to attend crappy schools. Children, working, geographical location, is not a good excuse to ruin our profession and ultimately put patients at risk. So NPs and NP hopefuls need to rise up and demand change - unanimously.

Or second, patients will soon see the discrepancies, physicians will use this as leverage against us, and we can kiss FPA goodbye.

How we can, as a group, just blow off these schools and their poor matriculants, yet continue to push equivalency with physicians is just beyond me.

I am waiting for you to organize your Million Nurse March my friend to change this issue. I see apart of your strategy for this endeavor by shaming people on Allnurses rather than being positive and empowering others. I think you are off to a good start. And I like your pretty soon this and soon that type of arguments. I'll be waiting for this soon to come around. Probably will be in a few decades but that's just my opinion based upon how things in healthcare and other institutions change.

So this person should dry off their tears stop complaining and go to the best possible school a decision that will probably take more time and uproot her family while others in the market place take a shorter path. That decision is ultimately up to the OP. What is the magnitude of difference she will be as a professional from going to great reputation BM than the online program. Its difficult to say because so much of what being a top professional has as much to do with your program as with one's character. I've noticed the OP focused on reaching out for additional resources to help further develop their education/training. Which is frustrating and definitely should not be how programs for professionals delivering the highest level of care to patients. But, that is the system. And I would take a professional who maybe didn't go to the school with the best curriculum/training but put forward the extra effort to learn and has a curiosity to dive deeper into the profession and subject matter, similar to this OP. The market rewards these types of individuals in the long run.

And I also like your decree that their are only two options for this situation. We must rise unanimously or patients will see the problems. I agree with you that sweeping change should happen. But, will it ever happen I hope so. Until then people like the OP will make decisions based upon whats available in the current market. I choose to applaud those who no matter their path do their best with increasing their abilities to the highest levels. But, you can choose to be negative and shame folks while some how wanting everyone to come together unanimously. You sound like you should be President.

I am waiting for you to organize your Million Nurse March my friend to change this issue. I see apart of your strategy for this endeavor by shaming people on Allnurses rather than being positive and empowering others. I think you are off to a good start. And I like your pretty soon this and soon that type of arguments. I'll be waiting for this soon to come around. Probably will be in a few decades but that's just my opinion based upon how things in healthcare and other institutions change.

So this person should dry off their tears stop complaining and go to the best possible school a decision that will probably take more time and uproot her family while others in the market place take a shorter path. That decision is ultimately up to the OP. What is the magnitude of difference she will be as a professional from going to great reputation BM than the online program. Its difficult to say because so much of what being a top professional has as much to do with your program as with one's character. I've noticed the OP focused on reaching out for additional resources to help further develop their education/training. Which is frustrating and definitely should not be how programs for professionals delivering the highest level of care to patients. But, that is the system. And I would take a professional who maybe didn't go to the school with the best curriculum/training but put forward the extra effort to learn and has a curiosity to dive deeper into the profession and subject matter, similar to this OP. The market rewards these types of individuals in the long run.

And I also like your decree that their are only two options for this situation. We must rise unanimously or patients will see the problems. I agree with you that sweeping change should happen. But, will it ever happen I hope so. Until then people like the OP will make decisions based upon whats available in the current market. I choose to applaud those who no matter their path do their best with increasing their abilities to the highest levels. But, you can choose to be negative and shame folks while some how wanting everyone to come together unanimously. You sound like you should be President.

You're so right. I should be more edifying. Go to a crappy school, be a crappy provider. Who cares, right? Why require schooling at all? Just study yourself and take the boards. We all know what to study. It's all what you make of it, etc. Silly physicians and their strict standards, and command of the market and salaries. What do they know.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Well I would say be a little more realistic my good friend. I guess people will just keep on bring crappy nps by going to crappy schools because patient outcomes are crappy relative to doctors, oh wait the outcomes aren't crappy relatively speaking. Well the market doesn't have the pressures to make the change because outcomes are good. But you could be the impetus for that change. If you want nurses to reach out to State boards of nursing and medicine etc you could start organizing this and giving support for the initiative. What Representatives should we speak to what administrators of hospitals or healthcare systems could you reach out to voice concerns about new nps workout in experience or going to fully online programs. Even if outcomes aren't crappy compared to MDs we should be shooting for better outcomes than MDs and the foundation for that would be better standardized clinical education and more in depth residency programs. Now these additional costs would raise tuition and lower the amount of nps. With additional costs this must lead to barriers such as needing full reimbursement for all np activities from Medicare, insurances, etc and a path to full practice authority. Maybe 3 to 5 years once pass boards and with a review by nursing board and/or medicine. Or you could just continue being salty and shame folks on all nurses instead of giving them your wisdom and experience about real world np practice. You have two options and only two options. I hope you continue being a beacon of light in your community. Cheers

Well I would say be a little more realistic my good friend. I guess people will just keep on bring crappy nps by going to crappy schools because patient outcomes are crappy relative to doctors, oh wait the outcomes aren't crappy relatively speaking. Well the market doesn't have the pressures to make the change because outcomes are good. But you could be the impetus for that change. If you want nurses to reach out to State boards of nursing and medicine etc you could start organizing this and giving support for the initiative. What Representatives should we speak to what administrators of hospitals or healthcare systems could you reach out to voice concerns about new nps workout in experience or going to fully online programs. Even if outcomes aren't crappy compared to MDs we should be shooting for better outcomes than MDs and the foundation for that would be better standardized clinical education and more in depth residency programs. Now these additional costs would raise tuition and lower the amount of nps. With additional costs this must lead to barriers such as needing full reimbursement for all np activities from Medicare, insurances, etc and a path to full practice authority. Maybe 3 to 5 years once pass boards and with a review by nursing board and/or medicine. Or you could just continue being salty and shame folks on all nurses instead of giving them your wisdom and experience about real world np practice. You have two options and only two options. I hope you continue being a beacon of light in your community. Cheers

I thought when I was being realistic it was too negative. And that hurts people's feelings and makes people sad about their choices. So I'll start being rosy and encouraging despite the very real problems with NP education. My hospital system already has a blacklist for at least 1 NP school. It makes us all look bad.

And don't try and compare NP outcomes to MDs based on the observational Mundinger studies evaluating long term chronic diseases like HTN. Haha. Make sure to take your ACEI and HCTZ sir. See, I'm just as good as a physician.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Out of the only two choices you have in this situation you choose to continue being salty. You have chosen wisely. I will check back in a couple of years to note your level of saltines and how much shaming others on allnurses has impacted np school education changes with all other variables held constant. This will be known as the Dodongo ratio saltiness/change. Cheers

Out of the only two choices you have in this situation you choose to continue being salty. You have chosen wisely. I will check back in a couple of years to note your level of saltines and how much shaming others on allnurses has impacted np school education changes with all other variables held constant. This will be known as the Dodongo ratio saltiness/change. Cheers

Let me save you the trouble - there is a large anticipated ratio increase.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Let me save you the trouble - there is a large anticipated ratio increase.

Not all heroes wear capes. You are my new favorite human. Stay classy

Not all heroes wear capes. You are my new favorite human. Stay classy

Being an anonymous keyboard warrior is only one of my many powers.

Please stick to the topic and refrain from personal attacks.

Dodongo has a right to be salty. The NPs from bad schools make us all look bad. Its those ones that drove me to go bak to med school since the watering down of the NP profession killed salaries and legitimacy in my area.

I have no empathy for those juggling 20 different things and going to NP school. If somebody can juggle all that and get a provider license they are either ridiculously intelligent or the schooling is too easy. Somehow I doubt the former.

We have a few single moms in med school who make it, not sure how, they must be supremely dedicated in a way I could not imagine, but having five kids is not an excuse to go to a non legit school. But we are in 2018 where equality overrides truth and everybody gets trophy so I assume I am an awful person for not handing out all the runner up ribbons. Thats OK, i brought my fire pants so toss flames all you want.

And what is with all these RN/BSN people saying NP= physician, I mean what do you guys like google outcomes on NP vs physician studies and think a few studies over basic stuff written by the nursing propaganda party is legit? Its about as legit as those that sell weed and say it cures all sorts of cancer and is the next miracle drug. lmao.

I got truckloads of salt so keep typing people

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