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As I begin the applications process for nursing schools, I have one huuuuge concern - my religious obligations. I am not permitted to work/attend school, etc. from sunset Friday nights until an hour past sunset on Saturday nights because of the Jewish sabbath. I've heard that a lot of programs have 12hr clinicals on Saturdays...yikes! Has anyone "worked it out" with similar obligations?

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This has been a very enlightening thread for me. Thank you all for your posts! I do have a question though, not related to Judaism. One poster stated that she is Roman Catholic & referred to saying the Lord's Prayer in public school & her fear for her mortal soul in doing so. I don't understand? Can either she or another Roman Catholic explain? I've never heard of that before and would really like to learn as much as I can. Thanks.

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This has been a very enlightening thread for me. Thank you all for your posts! I do have a question though, not related to Judaism. One poster stated that she is Roman Catholic & referred to saying the Lord's Prayer in public school & her fear for her mortal soul in doing so. I don't understand? Can either she or another Roman Catholic explain? I've never heard of that before and would really like to learn as much as I can. Thanks.

The Protestants and Catholics have different versions. And some Prots have a different version than others.

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Okay---but, why would her mortal soul be in danger? Is it because the L. Prayer version in public school was a form of the Protestant version? And if so, why?

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Why was the Protestant version said in schools? Because the country is mostly Protestant, or at leat used to be.

I am guessing she thought her soul was in danger because Protestants weren't of the "true church," and a child doesn't understand that a deviation in a prayer doesn't damn one.

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One does not need to be an over-acheiver to have a bedroom with space for two twin beds.

True. Sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to suggest that one needed to overachieve, to have that.

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In "Public Profile" for each member it states the last date and time activity took place for that member. When a member is on-line you can also see what thread they are viewing. Kind of spooky to be spied on.

Having our posts monitored, seems no worse (or better) than putting our viewpoints out there for all to appreciate...........

However, some months ago (?years) penalties were levied for switching/adding a new element to a discussion on a thread. Arguments on line here would also have repercussions, which I didn't like. We are presumably adults, and able to recognize when someone is coming from an

emotion/understanding that assumes something not intended by the poster.

Being candid adds to understanding each other and coming to find solutions to problems in our work.

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Why was the Protestant version said in schools? Because the country is mostly Protestant, or at leat used to be.

I am guessing she thought her soul was in danger because Protestants weren't of the "true church," and a child doesn't understand that a deviation in a prayer doesn't damn one.

When I was at church today we had a visitor and her 7 almost 8 year old daughter. I was talking to a the daughter and she asked why we had one small payne of stained glass in one of the windows.

I told her a few years ago someone threw a rock through the window her response, "who did that" I told her we never found out. "It was probably one of the catholics from the church down the street."

Now this girl knew NOTHING about that church, they are from Ohio.

I tried to explain that they are not bad people, they just believe slightly different things, her response "Ya but only one of us has the REAL religion and the others are going to hell" I had NO way to respond, how do you explain to an 8 year old that she is biased.

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Considering that the newest Pope has said almost the exact thing about people who aren't Catholic going to hell, I don't know that this is an issue you really want to tackle unless you have lots of time and patience.

It would behoove all people to act in accordance to their individual religion's true beliefs and demonstrate agape love and appropriate behavior to all people.

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This has been a very enlightening thread for me. Thank you all for your posts! I do have a question though, not related to Judaism. One poster stated that she is Roman Catholic & referred to saying the Lord's Prayer in public school & her fear for her mortal soul in doing so. I don't understand? Can either she or another Roman Catholic explain? I've never heard of that before and would really like to learn as much as I can. Thanks.

I believe I am the poster you are referring to. This happened back in 1956. I was attending a junior high school outside of Boston. The Lord's Prayer, which was required by state law to be recited every morning, in every public school in the state, was the Protestant version. Back in those days, my Church was very strict on their guidelines regarding taking part in any type of religious service or prayers. If it wasn't Catholic, the good sisters had taught me my soul was in danger because it was a mortal sin to take part in any religious obsrvation other then Catholic. If I were to die, while I had a mortal sin stain I had not confessed to on my soul, then my soul would go to h***. This was all most eight years prior to John the Twenty-third. And it was prior to the enlightenment of my Church.

By contrast, my daughter attended a Catholic School. When she was ten years old, I and a Rabbi came to her school to teach her class, with the approval of the Mother Superior, how the Last Supper and Shabbos/Passover were intertwined. I demonstrated the prayers the an observant woman says on Shabbos Eve. No condemnation of my soul because my saying the prayers was no longer considered a sin.

My point, times and thoughts have changed, both in my Church and with other religions. When people are allowed to practice their own religions, without condemnation about others, we are a much more enlightened and safer world. It is when those so called leaders begin to condemn the religious practices of others, inciting harm and violence, we end up fighting wars. Or at least that is my opinion.

Woody:twocents:

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considering that the newest pope has said almost the exact thing about people who aren't catholic going to hell, i don't know that this is an issue you really want to tackle unless you have lots of time and patience.

it would behoove all people to act in accordance to their individual religion's true beliefs and demonstrate agape love and appropriate behavior to all people.

would you please share your source for this information?? the idea that non-catholics are going to hell was bad theology that hasn't seen the official light of day since vatican ii in the 1960's. in fact, pope john paul ii spent great amounts of time on mending fences not only with other christian denominations but also with the jewish people of the world.

is sharing false information on the teachings of the catholic church within your description of demonstrating "agape" to all people??:confused:

as a catholic, i believe that i have found the best and truest route to the lord...but not the only one, and the only eternal soul i am responsible directly for is my own. please do some research before you cast untruths into the world, for as you sow surely shall you reap.

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Considering that the newest Pope has said almost the exact thing about people who aren't Catholic going to hell, I don't know that this is an issue you really want to tackle unless you have lots of time and patience.

It would behoove all people to act in accordance to their individual religion's true beliefs and demonstrate agape love and appropriate behavior to all people.

Thank you for your consideration and open mindedness. It galls me to hear again, how some churches demean others' beliefs, and frighten their congregations into believing what they want them to think. As far as I know, no one has "gone to hell" and come back to tell us who was there, and why their behavior on earth caused that (much less seen the "fires", etc.).

In today's society, many more people think for themselves and take extreme viewpoints with "a grain of salt". Youngsters of 7 and 8 years of age haven't developed their thinking to that point, and need parents to

guide them toward using good judgement about making decisions about what is reasonable. Otherwise they'll become pawns of whoever wants their ranks to swell, no matter what it takes....... cults, etc.

That way of thought led to the Spanish Inquisition, which will remain forever in history as a blight on the Roman Catholic church which enforced everyone to give up other faiths or die. I've never believed that God would condone killing for the one way route to his/her love, or anything else.

This country was founded on freedom of religion, because of the errors made in the past. However, for many reasons (possibly such simple ones as unhealthy rivalry), Jews have taken it in the nose (sometimes literally) for not being Christian. We do not proscelatize others to join us in our beliefs and in generations past have downright discouraged non Jews from joining us (especially as a way to gain approval for inter-faith marriage). That could have branded us as snooty.

Those Jewish persons with moderate to high financial success have been noticible enough for the myth to pervade, that all Jews are wealthy - NOT!! We have no Rockefellers or Fords, etc. among us...... Some of us, just as some Christians, have good bargaining skills, hence the term "Jewed him down" (meant to be derogatory). :twocents: ++++

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"how do you explain to an 8 year old that she is biased. "?(quote)

Well, I believe it's best not to counter prejudice by your judgment of it.

(Please see my response to RN 1989)

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