Sacred cows that need to be laid to rest

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Here are a few of mine--they are things that no one who does them can explain the rationale for, other than justifying it with these 6 words, their mantra:

"We've always done it this way."

1. Putting down a "foot sheet" (usually a drape sheet; half or 3/4 sheet) before putting down the main drape (lap sheet, transverse lap sheet, split sheet or whatever--)

My question: WTF for? Do people not trust that the surgical drape companies have put time and money into researching just how thick the surgical drapes need to be to make them impervious to strikethrough or instrument penetration?

2. "Testing" the balloon on a Foley catheter before inserting it--

Again, what is the rationale? Do they somehow think that the balloon on a Foley is prone to failure to inflate--have they ever actually SEEN one not inflate?

When I put a Foley in, I insert it all the way to the hub, inflate the balloon with the full 10cc of H2O, then pull the catheter back--it stops on its own, proving the balloon is inflated.

Never once have I seen a Foley slip out because the balloon failed to inflate--and if it did, so what? Has any harm come to the patient? Of course not! Just get a new catheter and reinsert it.

I don't think that sterile items should be handled more than necessary--putting on gloves to "test" a Foley balloon, taking them off, doing another task, and then regloving to actually perform the catheterization--often announcing to whomever they think cares: "I tested the balloon earlier" is, to me, an unnecessary practice and one that can potentially contaminate the catheter and lead to a nosocomial UTI.

3. Double gloving for every single task--even patient transport

First off, I think it is a waste of gloves, but second--everybody keeps quoting "research" that says double gloving is "safer--" I even saw a recent AORN article that quoted someone as saying something to the effect that double gloving will reduce the likelihood of needlestick or other sharp object penetration by 50%--

Now, that sounds reasonable in theory, but is it actually true in PRACTICE? Has anyone actually SEEN this research, or is it anecdotal? Does this mean that if we triple glove, we wiil reduce the chance of sharp object penetration by 70%? Should we put on 4 pairs of gloves, thus reducing the chance of needlestick by 75%? Why not just wear 5 pairs, reducing the chance to... well, you get my point.

And, while we're at it, why not just put on 2 gowns and 2 masks--hey, if one is good, shouldn't 2 be better? Where do we stop and say, "Enough, already--this is just silly."

Again, I think that, just as with the example of the surgical drapes, the glove companies have a vested interest in making gloves that are strong and durable--why should they make a product that necessitates wearing two of for safety?

I have never double gloved, and I have only been stuck once in my career--by a sharp needle that would have penetrated 2, 3, or 4 pairs of gloves; double gloving would have served no purpose whatsoever--

If people feel the need for thicker gloves to make them feel "safe," ortho gloves serve that need just fine.

OK, I know I will get flamed especially for my double glove views, but I just think we need to use a little more common sense and not rely so much on outdated "policies" and practices that MAYBE made sense in the '50s--MAYBE--but maybe, even then, they were sacred cows--

Let's hear YOUR sacred cows!!! Bring 'em on!! Remember, there are student nurses out there reading this board who can learn from us; it will be nice to provoke critical thinking in the generation that will be providing our perioperative care, possibly sooner than we think---

OK, your post was good, and funny! I laughed when I read in print what we all know is truth!

OK, here is mine- SHOE COVERS!!

Why do some hospitals still require the wearing of shoe covers under the assumption that this is an infection control issue??!! Are they laying the patient on the floor???

And, for God's sake, when the case is over, and you have worn shoe covers for protecting your shoes from blood spills-take them off!

You are so right, kathyann. My old supervisor insisted we wear shoe covers, as well.

Also, gel preps were new to her--even though I have been using them since I got out of nursing school in '81, she seemed to think they were some "newfangled' invention--clueless- and insisted (not that anyone did it) that these preps needed to be done for 10 minutes by the clock, with a scrubbing motion, and then letting them sit for 5 minutes to "take effect."

In reality, we all know they just require wiping on, and "take effect" on contact. Honestly, some OR supervisors are simply scary--I would just prefer they stay in their endless "meetings" or on their endless personal errands while supposedly at work, rather than rearing their ugly heads in our direction.

Originally posted by kathyann

OK, your post was good, and funny! I laughed when I read in print what we all know is truth!

OK, here is mine- SHOE COVERS!!

Why do some hospitals still require the wearing of shoe covers under the assumption that this is an infection control issue??!! Are they laying the patient on the floor???

And, for God's sake, when the case is over, and you have worn shoe covers for protecting your shoes from blood spills-take them off!

In my OR, we don't have to wear shoe covers. We can bring shoes and keep them at work used specifically for the OR, cause who only knows what you would be bringing home on your shoes from the OR. You can however opt to wear shoes from home into the OR if you wear shoe covers. The issue is protecting yourself; who cares if blood gets on teh bottom of your shoes- clean em up or get a new pair ( I just wear old sneakers).

Ah, the ten minute betadine scrub.........:)

We recently switched to duraprep, so far like it a whole lot better!

This thread is really interesting as where I work we too have a lot of sacred cows, too numerous to mention, but the question is, why do we keep these outdated practices up?. Certaintly from my own experience its because the head nurse who has been there 1,000,000,000,000 years says its been fine all along so why not keep it up. And to be fair most of them are harmless, just annoying and time consuming . When the head nurse retires so will the sacred cow.

I had a foley bulb that would not deflate a few months ago, thank goodness I did test it before I inserted it . That is one that I will continue to do EVERY time from now on scared me.

But you are right there are lots more that need to be updated.

I never really thought about the testing of foley balloons before ( I always did it just because we were taught to) but here is a funny story that happened to a collegue of mine when I worked home health... She went out to change a foley on an MS pt and she didn't check the balloon ,she got it in and went to fill the balloon.. the NS in the Syringe was frozen...it gets pretty cold here and our supplies were kept in our cars!! LOL. She held the Foley in place and had the wife put it in hot water for like 15 min so that it would thaw and be warm enough not to cause bladder spasms..I never forgot that story and afterwards ..always "'checked" the syringe before inserting...

Later that day the same nurse needed to give a fleets..guess what? FROZEN..now that would hurt. The company gave her bag of popsicles at the Christmas party as a joke,, Erin

Originally posted by Erin RN

I never really thought about the testing of foley balloons before ( I always did it just because we were taught to) but here is a funny story that happened to a collegue of mine when I worked home health... She went out to change a foley on an MS pt and she didn't check the balloon ,she got it in and went to fill the balloon.. the NS in the Syringe was frozen...it gets pretty cold here and our supplies were kept in our cars!! LOL. She held the Foley in place and had the wife put it in hot water for like 15 min so that it would thaw and be warm enough not to cause bladder spasms..I never forgot that story and afterwards ..always "'checked" the syringe before inserting...

Later that day the same nurse needed to give a fleets..guess what? FROZEN..now that would hurt. The company gave her bag of popsicles at the Christmas party as a joke,, Erin

Oh, Man!!!! And here I was complaining today that it was too cold to go ouside because it was raining and 45 degrees!!! I will NEVER compalin again!! Where do you LIVE, Erin? North Dakota?

Hi All,

What about face masks? I've heard of research that they are affective for about 10-15 minutes, then useless. When people are scrubbed for 6 hour cases, how effective can they be? A lot of anaethetists in our hospital are refusing to wear the damn things, as are anaesthetic nurses and closed urology surgeons. Scrubs and surgeons just wear them for the looks.... and the occasional fluid splash, but why the hell should circulating nurses or other staff have to wear them the whole time? Does anyone know where the research pro and con masks can be found?

As for Foley catheters, I've heard that testing the balloon can weaken it (Manufacturer's Reccommendation) and going against that would not be a good idea. I've seen a blocked baloon once, it was popped with a fine guidewire up the injection port, and one out of the thousands is not bad at all.

Shoe covers are designed to stop outside dirt and microorganisms getting in the OR, but the times I've seen them badly worn, torn, or dragging blood around a Theatre block, not to mention being slippery... Yeuch! Scrub an old pair of sneakers in medizyme for about ten minutes and you have a pair of dedicated OT shoes, or better yet, buy a new pair of clogs or shoes, and leave them in the OR Suite or sealed in a bag at home when not in use, how hard is it? I've seen Urology, Colorectal and Orthopaedic Surgeons and nurses with dedicated gumboots, what a great idea for those sloshy cases...

Prepping the skin with alcohol before starting a heplock, or wiping the hub of a lock before administering meds...swabbing anything with alcohol does nothing more than move around any potential infective...doesn't kill anything.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

I've always test-inflated Foley balloons before insertion. So far, three had pinholes in them, a defect from the factory.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.
Originally posted by mjlrn97

Turning patients q 2hrs around the clock. I learned from an expert in long-term care that this gold standard was NOT set by using any scientific data proving its efficacy at preventing pressure sores, but by the length of time it took military doctors and nurses to make full rounds of their wards!

I know. We have 2 pts. right now that are on a q30 min. turn schedule due to bony areas. The both get redness on those areas so easily, even on the airbed.

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