SICK of BSN Pedestal

Nursing Students ADN/BSN

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Get off the Pedestal with the whole BSN vs ADN thing. A fact this is overlooked is that ADN does the same job as BSN and passes the NCLEX. Everyone then cried ADN is uneducated blah blah. WHY dont we look at the 4 year universities instead? Why doesnt the BSN itself advance? Because taking an extra gym glass doesnt deserve it. Look at all the worthless pre reqs that you BSN's are taking over the ADN. It isnt making you a better nurse its all about the money the school systems are a business. We need to change the education system. SWAP out that spanish you are going to forget the second after the test and take some critical thinking. Be gone with that Open elective to take baking class and replace it with PSYCH. The problem is the ADN is a efficient degree with time/pre-reqs and the BSN is created to give the "big man" money. Sorry if you wasted 100k in debt.

why are hospitals going magnet? because the universities are lobbiest to the hospitals. Universites need there money and they dont like ADNs getting the jobs BSNs are getting for a fraction of the cost. Universities have paid, persuaded, and convinced hospitals to go magnet and it is not because 4 year nurses are better.

IF universities ever decide to stop the worthless pre reqs and uni requirements then maybe one day a BSN nurse would have a true advantage.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Oncology, Epic CT.
Dang it, why didn't anyone tell me that ASN + gym class = BSN? I need to go talk to my university about this! I totally took line dancing 101 the first time I went to college. This opens some real doors for me. Thank GOD!

Funny the only place I hear this crap talked about is on AN.

Do fitness class and karate class count?! If so, put that together with my BSN degree, both my brain and body got a work out! That means, I am truly going to be a 'fit' nurse . :roflmao::cheeky:

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
crebs, I agree with all of your post except the highlighted sentence. While the case is strong, imho, that a BSN brings benefits, I don't think you can convincingly say that it confers twice as much as an ADN.

Regardless of which degree one earns, once out of school the burden is on the individual, as you say, to keep learning. A stagnant BSN nurse will soon lose any advantage over an ADN who reads widely in and outside of nursing.

I hardly ever see this mentioned and it's really true. Some may argue that just the fact that a student chooses a BSN program when they take the same NCLEX as the ADN graduate indicates the qualities of a lifelong learner but there are many other factors that affect the choice.

I've never made snide comiments about what courses constitute the difference between the degrees or said that ADN nurses but I know they are far more substantive than basket-weaving or gym. I don't say ADN grads "run circles around" or hit the floor running either because so much of that is based on other characteristics of each individual nurse.

Anyone who claims that nursing is the only profession that sees education as a bad thing might not realize the roots of the defensive attitude can be traced back to the 1965 ANA position statement and later where the word they use to describe an ADN or diploma nurse really is "uneducated". They've been actively trying to get those requirements made into state law since that time, which is based on the theory that ADN and diploma nursing education is inadequate.

OMG! Does this mean I only need to take Advanced Gym, Advanced Baking, and Advanced Spanish to get myself a Master's degree? Yes! :woot:

OK...super long yawn...Really??? Sometimes trolling => : ( )/snore

@DUDERNGUY

It sounds to me like you're jealous. The fact that us BSN graduates are getting ahead over an ADN such as yourself and the fact that you are forced to have to go back to school and spend more money (you already spent money to go to an ADN program and now you have to start from scratch to get a BSN, wasting not only your money but time too). $100,000 in debt? Nope, no loans and no debt here thanks to scholarships and government aid. :)

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Yeah makes no sense to have 2 maybe 3 different education requirements to take NCLEX. There ADN, BSN and the far and few between Diploma.

It really does not make sense why the national RN body cant standardize to one set regarding education. I mean they require all RN to take NCLEX so how hard could it be to make up their minds regarding what education requirements should be. I mean their word is law, once they make a decision everyone else will fall in line.

It would end the debate once and for all. Allowing us to move on to bigger and better things, like better patient to nurse ratio.

frank my education wasnt a waste. You kidden me?? Nursing was the best thing to ever happen to my life. And no i m not trolling to all the others who have suggested that i was.

The people who think it just takes a "baking class" or "gym class" to get their BSN are more than welcome to sign up anytime! Stop whining! It is a waste of your time and energy.

It is a highly contested matter.

Specializes in Peds and M/S.

This is the saddest debate I've read... its as bad as political debates on huff... I'm an MSICU nurse at a MAGNET hospital and I only have my lowly ADN or ASS(ociates) degree as it has been referred... And I gotta tell ya some of these BSN's coming out aren't the quickest nor more educated then the lowly ADN's like me. That being said, there are some nurses that have been here for DECADES and will work circles around any degree... And frankly if I were a patient here I'd take the experience over the education any day. It's one thing to be able to write a specific style of paper but its an entirely different thing to save a real life (not a textbook life). Not at all knocking any degree... Everyone should just be proud of the job they are fortunate enough to do everyday! Regardless of the letters after the RN, we all worked hard to get here. And further more, once most nurses here obtain their CCRN they could care less about the BSN that comes after the CCRN on their name badge!

I like being an LPN. JUST sayin........ LOL

This is the saddest debate I've read... its as bad as political debates on huff... I'm an MSICU nurse at a MAGNET hospital and I only have my lowly ADN or ASS(ociates) degree as it has been referred... And I gotta tell ya some of these BSN's coming out aren't the quickest nor more educated then the lowly ADN's like me. That being said, there are some nurses that have been here for DECADES and will work circles around any degree... And frankly if I were a patient here I'd take the experience over the education any day. It's one thing to be able to write a specific style of paper but its an entirely different thing to save a real life (not a textbook life). Not at all knocking any degree... Everyone should just be proud of the job they are fortunate enough to do everyday! Regardless of the letters after the RN, we all worked hard to get here. And further more, once most nurses here obtain their CCRN they could care less about the BSN that comes after the CCRN on their name badge!

AMEN!

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