Reamed for ordering an ethics consult

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I am an ICU nurse. Last night, I was taking care of a patient in her late 70s who has been in the hospital for about a month now. She is septic and had a colectomy performed in early January due to c. diff colitis. Her abdomen remains partially open. She was only recently extubated and is not doing well. She has developed a secondary pneumonia, has terrible edema and wounds, is in great pain, can barely move, and is certainly suffering by all standards. The patient is confused at times, but also mouths and sometimes (when able) verbalizes that she does not wish to have this type of treatment.

The family approached me last night and told me that they have decided that they would like to make her a DNR/DNI. They told me that she never wanted this kind of treatment, and that since she is not getting better and the possibility of her recovering is slim, that they wish not to "code" her if her heart would stop beating and that they do not wish for her to be on the ventilator again.

As I would normally do in this type of situation, I paged the surgery team in charge and told them about the family's request. They were annoyed that I had even paged them. Even though they were in house, they did not come up to the room (this was around 2100). The chief resident spoke with one of the daughters but then refused to write a DNR/DNI order and did not talk to me again. The daughter was upset and nearly in tears and told me that she felt bad for asking. Apparently, the chief resident told her that there was "a chance" the patient could get better in "three months" and that she didn't need to be a DNR. I explained to the daughter, husband, and patient that there is nothing wrong with discussing this, and that if that is their wish, then they do have the right to enact it. I also explained that DNR/DNI does not mean we wouldn't treat her any differently, and we would still give her all the meds, abx, wound cares, etc, if that is what they would like for us to do. I told her that since the surgery team was not on the same page with them, that I would page the ethics consult person, which I did.

After initially speaking with the ethics consult, I was instructed to page the patient's attending. The chief resident had failed to even mention the DNR request to him. However, he basically reiterated to the family that the patient "might get better in three months" and that she "might" make it, doesn't need to be a DNR...yada yada. Meanwhile, the entire family is extremely upset as it has taken them a lot of time to make this tough decision, and they feel like they are not being listened to. I tried to speak with the attending after he got off the phone with the daughter, but he hung up the phone.

I then paged the ethics consult again to let her know what had happened. She agreed with me that not everyone was on the same page, and that there was definitely an ethical dilemma, and that she would come in to speak with the family in the morning. I charted that I had done all this (and with whom I had spoken to), mainly to cover my bases in case the patient would have coded during the night. The family thanked me for sticking up for them and even told one of the other nurses how appreciative they were for what I had done to help them in the situation.

Apparently, the chief resident must have read my electronic documentation this morning, because she called me and was infuriated that I had called ethics. She told me that it was "inappropriate" and that apparently "you don't understand what's going on with this patient." She asked me why I had called ethics and I told her that as a patient advocate, when a patient/family approaches me with the request to make their loved one a DNR/DNI, it is my duty to accept their wishes and that when not everyone is on the same page, a mediator is needed so that we can do what is best for the patient. She got even more upset and asked to speak with my charge nurse, who relayed the exact same information to her.

I can't believe I got chewed out for this! I printed out the policy and procedure regarding an ethics consult, and I followed it completely. I've previously had a decent relationship with this resident, and now I'm afraid what's going to happen when I go back to work and need to call her for something. :angryfire

Has anyone ever had this happen to them?

Specializes in CVICU.

I just wanted to thank everyone for their support regarding this. You've pretty much reiterated what everyone else has been telling me. I do have to go back to work tonight, so I will see what happened today.

I intend to let it blow over unless something happens that specifically affects my interactions with the surgery team, or if I am being harassed over this. I certainly don't want to have problems calling a resident for something that a patient needs. I will let you know how this turns out.

Specializes in NA, Stepdown, L&D, Trauma ICU, ER.

Nothing new to add, but I just wanted to toss some support your way and echo the other posters in that if i were ever that ill, I'd want you for my nurse!

Man, this is an awful situation, but you handled it like a pro! Just stay calm and know that you are in the right!

Specializes in General Medicine.

You have handled this really well. Some MDs feel frustrated when they can't cure a pt and do not want to let go... Don't let this stop you from calling the resident when you need something. Just act the same way you acted before with her. Think: she was unprofessional, not me, so she should be the one embarrassed to talk to me, not vice versa. I do it a lot: when I believe I am right, I do not act like I did something wrong

Specializes in Post-Interventional Cardiology.

I'm a student right now learning how advocacy of the patient is paramount, and I wondered how that would pan out when push comes to shove. Thank you very much for taking the time to share. You are awesome...Good Luck!

Specializes in Critical Care.

While getting yelled at by a resident is a terrible experience, you did the right thing and should be proud of yourself. We are, first and foremost, the patient's advocate. You have my utmost respect.

My guess is that the resident will receive their own special form of "feedback" in due time.

Contagion,

You sound like a great nurse.

I think the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished" should be printed across the top of our nursing licenses.

##$%^&^ that resident.

Specializes in CVICU.

I just wanted to let everyone know what happened with this situation. Monday morning, the ethics committee did meet with the family and the docs. The docs managed to talk the family out of making the patient a DNI, but she is now a DNR.

But get this... the reason they talked the family out of DNI status was because "the patient has pneumonia" and "we think if we have to reintubate her, we could get her off the vent." Well okay, but I discovered a major med error regarding the patient's antibiotics on Monday night.

As it turns out the patient was being double covered for pseudomonas pneumonia with Zosyn and cefepime. One doc wrote to stop the Zosyn and then the next day, the PA wrote to stop cefepime. I thought it was strange that I didn't have to give her any antibiotics, so I went looking, and realized that she hadn't gotten any antibiotics for over 48 hours! The patient had been febrile with confirmed pneumonia on CXR!

I called pharmacy and she then called the surgery team and got new antibiotics ordered. I gave her a dose of cefepime about 30 minutes after the error had been discovered. I had to fill out an incident report on this. Talk about poor management in general! :banghead::madface::idea::lol_hitti

Sorry, just had to vent!

What an awesome nurse you are!

Specializes in ER, ICU, Administration (briefly).

It's really too bad our so called nursing leadership doesn't show this kind of nursing backbone.

Maybe then we could stand up to these systemic situations, including staffing, that both devalue and disempower nursing.

Our administrative "leaders" are for the most part paid stooges, unable to realy exert any serious control over vital issues to the bedside nurse.

Our educational leaders have yet to present a coherent nursing vision for how the nation's healthcare system should be resructured, preferring to merely accept conditions on the ground with their collective heads deeply buried.

We preach evidence based practice to bedside nurses, and completely ignore it when it comes to evidence based administrative decisions.

Where is the critical self reflection that marks a true profession?

Where are the nursing leaders?

This problem is not isolated just here in the U.S. either.

What's happened to the nursing visions of Lavenia Dock and Lillian Wald?

How do we get this back?

Specializes in CVICU.

Just another update on this situation...

Apparently the idiots on the surgery team wrote me up for calling ethics. My manager told me about this but she also told me that I did everything right, it was all documented correctly, and that anyone should have done what I did in that situation. She said it will go higher up and that they will likely get in trouble for it, and that I certainly will not.

It's nice to be supported by management for once!

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.

the chief resident is a prat of the highest order

1. s/he is NOT the Medical Practitioner in Charge of the patient's case .

2. s/he obviously doesn't understand DNAR

however the Nurse

1. shouldn't have paged the on call team for a DNAR, thisshould have been dealt with by the Medical practitioner in Charge of the patient's care at a sensible time (i.e. office hours the next day)

in volvgin Erthics dept is a good idea - this patient needs a 'best interests' meetings

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