Anyone else get caught up in this nonsense on the net or real life? Even people who are just anti-psych/med in general?? It drives me crazy.
On another forum people were discussing this TomKat (Tom Cruise) business and a couple mentioned the Scientology aspect. Well, I guess I can't avoid this issue, so I threw out a few comments about it. :chuckle Two people begin walking all over me about Tom's "religion" and what he and Katie Holmes do is their business. Fine by me, I was just pointing out the CoS issue. Then after a few exchanges they say "Scientology? I don't know anything about it" Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
She was claiming how it helped his dyslexia. Oh boy. Why do people argue about things they no nothing about?
Once again, could we please refrain from FLAMING other peoples' religious beliefs? How would you like to be on the receiving end of someone ridiculing you for what you believe?
Originally Posted by laurasc
Well, here's an overdose of information on the Church of Scientology. http://www.xenu.net/ I just stumbled upon this today, it was posted on another forum...this stuff is just too weird.
What is really scary to me, is there are a lot of people who will blindly follow what celebrities say when it comes to medicine, religion, or politics. That is truly frightening.
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You can't believe everything you read. And even less of what you hear. (isn't that the old saying)
I have pretty much dropped the "People"-like mags and am spending a lot more time on reading that feeds my mind and soul.
I don't care what Tom Cruise and "whats her name" are up to, whether this is a "stunt" relationship or not. I DO care, however, when a prominent Hollywood figure comes forward, denouncing another's treatment of a severe case of depression. He is hardly qualified to speak on this with any semblance of authority. He needs to stick with what he does know, how to be an actor. Leave the issue of PPD to those who suffer it and their care providers.
That is why I say, drop "People" and "Entertainment Tonight", and pick up a good book instead. Or just say "no" to the fascination and adoration of Hollywood and its figures/symbols. There are so many other things that need our attention.
:bowingpur :yeahthat: :bowingpuryou ROCK. i couldn't agree more.
Well, xenu.net and hundreds of other websites exist that paint a pretty clear picture of who these people really are. Look at it as anti-COS if that's how you want to, but you can't deny the actual documents that reveal who LRH was and how he used people to get the COS going. The actual autopsy report shows he had hydroxyzine (Vistaril) in his system at the time of his death. Wonder what the anti-drug CoS thinks of that. Of course, they're told it's a lie or simply kept from reading any critical info at all. His navy records, teletypes, and other actual documents that prove what a quack he was. His whole dianetics garbage was pulled from a well known psychiatrist's writings from the UK when he was being treated in their hospital. How about his use of phenobarb in the navy or even the most revealing of all, his plea for psychiatric help to the VA: http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/beg.htm
You can't deny this information, and claim it's a religion worthy of respect when confronted with all that's come to light. Scary what people will defend when they don't know anything about it.
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Well, xenu.net and hundreds of other websites exist that paint a pretty clear picture of who these people really are. Look at it as anti-COS if that's how you want to, but you can't deny the actual documents that reveal who LRH was and how he used people to get the COS going. The actual autopsy report shows he had hydroxyzine (Vistaril) in his system at the time of his death. Wonder what the anti-drug CoS thinks of that. Of course, they're told it's a lie or simply kept from reading any critical info at all. His navy records, teletypes, and other actual documents that prove what a quack he was. His whole dianetics garbage was pulled from a well known psychiatrist's writings from the UK when he was being treated in their hospital. How about his use of phenobarb in the navy or even the most revealing of all, his plea for psychiatric help to the VA: http://www.clambake.org/archive/ronthenut/beg.htm
You can't deny this information, and claim it's a religion worthy of respect when confronted with all that's come to light. Scary what people will defend when they don't know anything about it.
Who are "these people" and who is defending Scientology? I am just saying, it makes no sense whatever to go to an anti-Scientology website and attempt to use it to teach us about this religion. Plenty can be said about many organized religions, but it's not fair to denounce what we know little to nothing about. A more neutral site like the one I suggest earlier, not only discusses the tenets/beliefs of various religious systems but points the reader to other sites/books if he/she is interested in learning more.
It makes a LOT more sense to read about these things from MANY sources, not just those that support your already-formed opinions. We all need to challenge ourselves a bit more and come out of the "box" and try and at least understand where others are coming from. Rather than labeling them as "those people" or "cultists'. That language fosters no understanding, just division.
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Deb, once again, I agree with you 100%.
What is really scary to me, is there are a lot of people who will blindly follow what celebrities say when it comes to medicine, religion, or politics. That is truly frightening.
I totally agree. Which makes remarks like the one Tom Cruise made about PPD and meds even more dangerous. What does he really know? Fortunately, most people are intelligent enough to form their opinions critically and carefully and also smart enough to know when something is not working or they are not well,to seek help, like Ms. Shields did. She to me, has courage and strength to discuss her situation and how it affected her. It somehow makes us who suffered PPD not feel so 'weird".
How dare Tom Cruise even comment on PPD? He'll never have a baby or experience the weird things female hormones can do to your mind and body. I was depressed during my pregnancy and had a bad time with it afterward. I suffered a relapse during my OB class in nursing school - I just couldn't handle it. That is why I will never work in OB. I never took depression drugs but he is certainly NOT qualified to judge someone else for using them. I probably would have gotten "better" a lot quicker if I had taken them. I don't think anyone is every really "cured" of depression. You can beat it back, but it's still there lurking in the recesses of your mind. It's just something you live with.
Who are "these people" and who is defending Scientology? I am just saying, it makes no sense whatever to go to an anti-Scientology website and attempt to use it to teach us about this religion. Plenty can be said about many organized religions, but it's not fair to denounce what we know little to nothing about. A more neutral site like the one I suggest earlier, not only discusses the tenets/beliefs of various religious systems but points the reader to other sites/books if he/she is interested in learning more.
It makes a LOT more sense to read about these things from MANY sources, not just those that support your already-formed opinions. We all need to challenge ourselves a bit more and come out of the "box" and try and at least understand where others are coming from. Rather than labeling them as "those people" or "cultists'. That language fosters no understanding, just division.
Well said, Deb. You could take the tenents of any faith and skew them to make the believers of that religion look crazy. Casting aspersions serves no purpose.
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No I don't suffer from mental illness, but I had a child who attempted suicide twice due to paxil and subsequently went through a horrible withdrawal process. If the meds work for you great, but the "take a pill to be happy" that is now the norm is VERY scary. Yes, true mental illness can be helped with medication. Trying to medicate away life normal stresses is not treating mental illness. The fact that doctors are prescribing antidepressants like candy is scary, and the fact that the patient isn't made aware of side effects and withdrawal from ssri's is VERY scary.
I can't speak for CoS stuff, (don't need it, want it or care about it), but I agree wholeheartedly with lsyorke on this. SO many people I know take antidepressants to "help" with life's daily stresses, or if they feel even a little anxious about things. My husband went thru a very difficult time not that long ago, he was very depressed and even mentioned suicide. I finally got him to a doctor, and the doctor said to him, "Well, take your pick of which med you want to be on. Which one do you want to try?" I couldn't believe it! He did try a med, but the side effects were awful, and it didn't help him anyway. His depression was something that he needed to work out with my support and a few lifestyle adjustments (ie: me going back to work so we could pay our bills). Now, I do believe that there are people that benefit greatly from these meds, and they do need to be used, but my neighbor takes Paxil and thinks it's the cure for everything and that everyone should be on it. It's that kind of attitude that's scary, and it's even more disturbing that some doctors are taking this same attitude as well.
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Once again, could we please refrain from FLAMING other peoples' religious beliefs? How would you like to be on the receiving end of someone ridiculing you for what you believe?