Questions about DNP's

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Does anybody else feel like the DNP programs are a bit of an insult to nurses who just want to be nurses? It seems like there are some who are just after a bigger piece of the pie and fatter paychecks and not better care for their patients!!!

I work with a group of physicians and they're all pretty bright. I can't see how NP's (no matter how smart) can think that they can practice independently without even close to the amount of training that MD's have to go through.

I mean ONE year of medical residency is more clinical time than the DNP "residencies." How do the licensing boards sleep at night?

DNP residencies are an insult to nurses! They're a slap in the face to Doctors! They endanger patients by supplying them with mid-levels who know just enough to be dangerous. If you gals (guys too ;P ) didn't want to be nurses, then why didn't you apply to medical school? I know there's a shortage for primary care and I think NP's have done a GREAT job filling the void but I think these new DNP 'specialties' are irresponsible.

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Wow.

There is more than one way to be a Nurse.

Not all Nurses were meant to work the bedside, and just because someone wants to further their career and obtain a greater amount of education does not mean it is for financial gain.

Those stupid DNPs, didn't they know we little ignorant Nurses should be lucky enough to breath the same air as the almighty MDs?

Not all Nurses can be as awesome as a cardio Nurse.

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Having worked in a few all MD practice that moved patients through like cattle, I'd take a DNP any day to take care of me and my kids.

If a nurse just wants to be a nurse, then that's fine. No one is forcing you to be a DNP. And if you were, I sure wouldn't want you as my families PND. Matter of fact, I'm not sure I'd even want you as my bedside nurse.

All I can say is WOW too!

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Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

i'm not a dnp, but do have a bsn, as well as a msn in nursing. i took that route not to rake in more dough, as cardionurse suggests, but, rather, to become a more fully prepared nurse. i didn't know exactly where i'd land and just wanted to be ready for whatever came my way. the academic equivalent

of suspenders and a belt, plus i covered more bases.

that money would be the driving reason for going the dnp route is offensive. i'd much rather see the np in my internist's office for piddly routine things than my internist because she doesn't rush me and

i can get in more quickly to see her when i get sick suddenly.

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I know lots of MD's are very arrogant (not the ones I work with, but I know what you're saying)

I just find it insulting.....that's all.

It almost seems like these RN's and NP's wanted to be MD's to begin with, couldn't get accepted into Medical School, then chose to be Nurses as a backup!!!! Only now they're too good for us so they're sneaking in through the back door so they can be "doctors" just like they always dreamed.

I even Know a DNP and she calls herself Dr. to the patients. One patient pointed out that she was a nurse and the DNP actually told the pt. that there are now 3 kinds of doctors.... Allopaths, Osteopaths, and Nursing Doctors and that Nursing Doctors are (and I quote) "Full Physicians"

Isn't that Illegal?

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Hmm my Dad the MD seems to think quite highly of his DNP colleagues. My Mom and I the nurses are quite happy going to our DNP's.

Maybe you need to get more educated about NP's, maybe shadow or work with them. Personally I can't wait to go into NP school and provide excellent care for my patients the same way I do for my patients as an RN.

Also extrapolating the actions of one bad apple in a profession to paint an entire profession is going to create an inaccurate picture. There is an entire thread about the DNP using Doctor and you can search for and read it. There are valid points on either side.

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Also extrapolating the actions of one bad apple in a profession to paint an entire profession is going to create an inaccurate picture. There is an entire thread about the DNP using Doctor and you can search for and read it. There are valid points on either side.

It's greed and it's sickening. Whatever happened to pt. care?

They're chasing the dollars and trying to paint it as something 'noble'

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Uh how many NP's have you actually met or utilized in a professional capacity. Everyone I've encountered in a professional setting has provided excellent care to me as a patient. I'm not sure we have the same definition of greed.

You know what you are a troll and I'm not going to feed the troll anymore.

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Specializes in ED, Tele, Psych.

i'll answer with a bit less vitriol than was originally posted -

first, if i wanted to go to med school and be a physician, that's what i would have done. i am in fact a nurse and very proud of that fact.

second, i find it a bit insulting and degrading to claim that completing medical school demonstrates some level of intelligence above those who complete another doctoral program. After all approximately half of med school applicants are accepted to a U.S. med school and 98% of those who start, graduate [Wake Forest, 2003] - not exactly a club reserved for mensa members.

third, i practice nursing - not medicine - and that means that instead of treating a lab test, a radiology study, or a collection of symptoms, i treat patients - and do so under my own license, my own DEA#, and my own NPI# without paying a kick-back to somebody who never went to nursing school. is a DNP a doctor? - yes. is a DNP a physician? no. is a psychologist a doctor? - yes. is a psychologist a physician? - no. is a physician a doctor? - yes. is a physician a nurse practitioner? no. they training is different, the approach is different, the emphasis is different - not better or worse but definitely different.

fourth, i treat the entire patient - not just neck-to-waist ("mid-level")

fifth, NPs in primary care provide care with equal outcomes, fewer prescriptions, and better patient satisfaction than MDs or DOs - [Cochrane Review, 2007], hardly "endangering patients". To date I have seen no study that empirically supports the opinion of those with clear economic interest in preventing competition from other provider types - a point that was made almost thirty years ago in a congressional report of delivery of primary care and several other health policy organizations have come to the same conclusion. On top of all of this, even the American College of Physicians acknowledges the high quality of NP care.

last, but not least - if one wishes to be a floor nurse, that is a noble and important thing to do, but to claim upset when others choose to move on to other pursuits is bit childish - surely you have no issue when a nurse specializes in emergency nursing or critical care while another nurse goes into education or administration or public health? why the animosity when a nurse moves into the specialty of providing primary care as a doctoral prepared nurse?

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hahaha i AM a Troll!!!!!

thanks for the good laughs ladies!

I needed a break from studying REAL doctor stuff (you wouldn't understand so I won't even try) and you've supplied EXACTLY the entertainment I was looking for.

Every time a PA-C gets hired over a "Nursing Doctor" and angel gets its wings.

LOL

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I even Know a DNP and she calls herself Dr. to the patients. One patient pointed out that she was a nurse and the DNP actually told the pt. that there are now 3 kinds of doctors.... Allopaths, Osteopaths, and Nursing Doctors and that Nursing Doctors are (and I quote) "Full Physicians"

Isn't that Illegal?

She is correct.

First of all anyone who has obtained the educational degree of "Doctor" should be entitled to that title anywhere they are. If my high school history teacher could retain his right to be called Doctor why not a DNP?

Not only that but the DNP assumes the role as the primary clinical decision maker for the patient, even assuming the traditional role of the MD.

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P.S. NP's are okay for primary care, but lots get too big for their britches. No reason for them to be trying to move into the medical specialties. They'll get hit with malpractice SO FAST because they have no clue what they're doing.

Some DNP 'degrees' are being offered online. ONLINE!!!! Are you kidding me!??!? ONLINE!

*facepalms*

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