Questioning American Politics?

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Did our continental plates shift? Did we just decide to become a country that establishes a selected monarchy on the will of a few? What happened to voting? What happened to our elected officials? Do they blindly follow the party? Do political parties not hold elections anymore? These questions have unfolded since President Joe Biden stepped down from the democratic election. It's up to us, the concerned American citizens, to question and demand answers about this shift in our political landscape. 
When did America become a monarchy? The " hierarchy" in the democratic party forced a democratically elected President who won the primary to step down from office. The time to decide was a year ago. However, they did nothing, and we, the people, are in a situation that we never asked. I am demanding answers. To some of these valid questions?

 

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

Your unqualified diagnosis of malignant narcissism for Trump doesn't fit with your speculation of his mental status. If Trump was the creator behind P2025 then he would double down and take credit for his idea. He most definitly wouldnt say his ideas are ridiculous.  This isn't within the scope of symptoms of a malignant narcissist.  

Again. Anyone can find similarities with anything. As a  nurse that apparently is also skilled in phycological you should know that picking out behaviors that are simular to mental illness symptoms does not make a diagnosis.  Same with families that think grandma has dementia because she lost her car keys and forgot someone's birthday. 

Your input would be more credible if you haven't denied and convinced yourself that Biden is sharp as ever and still do not believe that that there's any cognitive decline even when his own party convinced him to step down. 

Who cares what a group wrote in their little wish book. Doesn't matter. It's democrats bringing the most attention to it. 

Hahaha. Every health professional can apply the DSM for NPD to Trump's known behavior and language.  Some just prefer to ignore his disqualifying character flaws and evidence of mental illness. 

When all else fails use strawman arguments or make stuff up, right?  No one said Trump created P2025. That's a strawman argument. Your logic is once again laughably flawed as you struggle to predict what a crazy person might say or do while maintaining that they aren't crazy.  

It's amusing that the person who misdiagnosed Biden with dementia and suggested that a trained Psychiatric nurse can't correctly identify symptoms or behaviors of mental illness wants to lecture others on the subject.  Your assessment of Biden's "dementia" was based upon things similar to grandma losing the keys and forgetting a birthday while ignoring that grandpa is a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur and associative looseness all compounded his advancing age and lazy intellect.  

I don't my mind that you don't think I have credibility.  Your character judgement and logic is flawed as evidenced by your preference for Trump and inability to recognize his disqualifying character flaws and corruption.  That means that your opinions of other things or people will be similarly flawed.  

Biden remains more cognitively intact than Trump and more competent in executing the duties of the presidency. That's what the record shows.  It also shows that Biden is self aware and willing to put the well being of his country before his personal desire for another term.  Trump would never set aside his desires for the good of the country.  

Lots of people who are moderate or independent voters care about the plans that republicans are making for a second Trump presidency.  Do you think that it will be a good campaign strategy to just pretend like the Heritage Foundation isn't mainstream conservatism all of a sudden?  Of course democrats are going to campaign on P2025.  Isn't it crazy that the Republicans thought it was smart to write down all of those ideas for changing our country and publishing them before the election?  

 

[Crusades]

toomuchbaloney said:

Hahaha. Every health professional can apply the DSM for NPD to Trump's known behavior and language.  Some just prefer to ignore his disqualifying character flaws and evidence of mental illness. 

When all else fails use strawman arguments or make stuff up, right?  No one said Trump created P2025. That's a strawman argument. Your logic is once again laughably flawed as you struggle to predict what a crazy person might say or do while maintaining that they aren't crazy.  

It's amusing that the person who misdiagnosed Biden with dementia and suggested that a trained Psychiatric nurse can't correctly identify symptoms or behaviors of mental illness wants to lecture others on the subject.  Your assessment of Biden's "dementia" was based upon things similar to grandma losing the keys and forgetting a birthday while ignoring that grandpa is a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur and associative looseness all compounded his advancing age and lazy intellect.  

I don't my mind that you don't think I have credibility.  Your character judgement and logic is flawed as evidenced by your preference for Trump and inability to recognize his disqualifying character flaws and corruption.  That means that your opinions of other things or people will be similarly flawed.  

Biden remains more cognitively intact than Trump and more competent in executing the duties of the presidency. That's what the record shows.  It also shows that Biden is self aware and willing to put the well being of his country before his personal desire for another term.  Trump would never set aside his desires for the good of the country.  

Lots of people who are moderate or independent voters care about the plans that republicans are making for a second Trump presidency.  Do you think that it will be a good campaign strategy to just pretend like the Heritage Foundation isn't mainstream conservatism all of a sudden?  Of course democrats are going to campaign on P2025.  Isn't it crazy that the Republicans thought it was smart to write down all of those ideas for changing our country and publishing them before the election?  

 

Wrong. I never diagnosed Biden with anything. I gave examples of his cognition. I wasn't the only one . It was clear after the debate and after other interviews the symptoms observed were enough to cause the very bias left media and democrats to want Biden to step down and he did. 

Why do you think Biden stepped down? Cuz he's a stellar leader? My lack of validating speculation of your opinions of Trump is matched by your complete refusal to even consider Biden has any cognitive decline at all. It could be considered cult like. 

Trump exaggerates and lies and has been a bad person. I can say it. You pretend Trump is the only politician in history with a less that stellar character and invented lies. LOL I'm sure you voted for Bill Clinton. A liar and adulterer who did it right in the oval office. Didn't he use a communist Cuban cigar for a crude sex toy? I guess that makes him  Castro. 

Biden didn't lose his keys. Biden couldn't negotiate stairs, form a cohesive sentence and calls Trump his vice president. 

You haven't gave examples of these mental illness symptoms of Trump only that he lies and says things ypu do not like.. Besides, people with mental illness can be sucesfull and are no less because they have a mental illness. Im glad you are not in a position to discriminate against peple with mental illness in any significant way.

Until Trump explicitly says he will put anything in P2025 into effect is just speculation and propaganda.  Not to mention contradicts your diagnosis. Not to mention you probably said the same thing in 2016. I don't see any concentration camps set up by Trump during hisb4 yrs.  Nevermind. See how big his dressing was? 

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

Wrong. I never diagnosed Biden with anything. I gave examples of his cognition. I wasn't the only one . It was clear after the debate and after other interviews the symptoms observed were enough to cause the very bias left media and democrats to want Biden to step down and he did. 

Why do you think Biden stepped down? Cuz he's a stellar leader? My lack of validating speculation of your opinions of Trump is matched by your complete refusal to even consider Biden has any cognitive decline at all. It could be considered cult like. 

Trump exaggerates and lies and has been a bad person. I can say it. You pretend Trump is the only politician in history with a less that stellar character and invented lies. LOL I'm sure you voted for Bill Clinton. A liar and adulterer who did it right in the oval office. Didn't he use a communist Cuban cigar for a crude sex toy? I guess that makes him  Castro. 

Biden didn't lose his keys. Biden couldn't negotiate stairs, form a cohesive sentence and calls Trump his vice president. 

You haven't gave examples of these mental illness symptoms of Trump only that he lies and says things ypu do not like.. Besides, people with mental illness can be sucesfull and are no less because they have a mental illness. Im glad you are not in a position to discriminate against peple with mental illness in any significant way.

Until Trump explicitly says he will put anything in P2025 into effect is just speculation and propaganda.  Not to mention contradicts your diagnosis. Not to mention you probably said the same thing in 2016. I don't see any concentration camps set up by Trump during hisb4 yrs.  Nevermind. See how big his dressing was? 

Sure. You never said Biden had dementia, sure.  

I think Biden stepped down because that was the prudent thing to do.  Sure Biden has cognitive decline, he is old.  He's still more cognitively intact that Trump regardless of the narrative that's been forwarded. Trump's decline is now obvious now that he can't project and deflect to Biden in that scrutiny.  

Trump doesn't just exaggerate and lie.  Trump is a pathological liar with delusions.  Trump's agitation, lack of remorse, and inability to let go of perceived slights are indicative of a sociopath. 

You really, really don't want to compare the confused speech of the current president and your guy.  Trust me, you really don't.  You don't pay close enough attention to know that Trump can barely form a cohesive sentence if he's off script.  He quickly devolves into a rant around one of his fixations that involves loosely connected words and thoughts.  

Yeah, I've given examples and cited supporting materials and opinions. You generally ignore that stuff.  

I fully expect you to pretend that Trump was completely unaware of P2025  and would never do any such thing.  He said that and so you believe him. 

You didn't see any concentration camps and you likely ignored the intentionally cruel policy of separating children from family at the border just like you are ignoring Trump's openness to build camps to house immigrants that he plans to deport.  You see nothing to be concerned about with that thinking, most likely.  

Trump's minor wound likely never required a dressing.  

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

toomuchbaloney said:

Sure Biden has cognitive decline, he is old. 

I think you've said this more than once so the accusation "your complete refusal to even consider Biden has any cognitive decline at all. It could be considered cult like." is unwarranted.

What you, myself and many others have said is that this decline, neurological deficits, did not make him a poor and unsafe president incapable of fulfilling his job duties and that he's done a good job.  Mostly, you in particular have pointed out the many ways Trump is a worse candidate even given these deficits.  

I do agree that it's going to be fair to hang onto every gaffe Trump makes moving forward.  People were already doing this but somehow the focus stayed on Biden.  Back in March a critic said about two speeches  he "mispronounced words, got confused, mixed up names, forgot names, and babbled insane nonsense."

As to why Biden stepped down?  He told us is a relatively coherent speech.  To unite the party.   It worked like gangbusters.

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US President Joe Biden has told Americans in a televised address that he decided to end his faltering re-election campaign in a bid to save US democracy.

Mr Biden, 81, said he felt his record as president "merited a second term" but that "nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy".

He said he endorsed US Vice-President Kamala Harris to unite their fellow Democrats and the country.

The White House speech marked his first public appearance since he left the race on 21 July, paving the way for Ms Harris to run for the party's nomination.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c047281jj8do

[Crusades]

Tweety said:

I think you've said this more than once so the accusation "your complete refusal to even consider Biden has any cognitive decline at all. It could be considered cult like." is unwarranted.

What you, myself and many others have said is that this decline, neurological deficits, did not make him a poor and unsafe president incapable of fulfilling his job duties and that he's done a good job.  Mostly, you in particular have pointed out the many ways Trump is a worse candidate even given these deficits.  

I do agree that it's going to be fair to hang onto every gaffe Trump makes moving forward.  People were already doing this but somehow the focus stayed on Biden.  Back in March a critic said about two speeches  he "mispronounced words, got confused, mixed up names, forgot names, and babbled insane nonsense."

As to why Biden stepped down?  He told us is a relatively coherent speech.  To unite the party.   It worked like gangbusters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c047281jj8do

Perhaps I've missed these times of baloney refering to Biden as '"old /cognitive decline" as I am new to the thread? Or perhaps it is lost amoung the long post of Trump rants? Or the general theme revert back to denial? That's my impression anyway. 

I get the impression he may said this because he has to. Not that he believes it. Yes. Pin point analysis of Trump as always been the norm so a continuation now won't be seen as anything different. The deflect to Trump is a commen occurrence even when not discussing him outright. Followed by repetitive verses resembling a chant . Then followed by ad hominiem attacks complete with accusations associating me with "Hitler" a "cult victim" and insults to my nursing credentials because I support Trump and have a differnt opinion than baloney. This is how I associate his behavior as cult like. Even after an admission of Biden being too old. So I respectively disagree that the assertations of baloney exhibiting cult like behaviors he often imposes on others as unwarranted.  

I do believe you said that Biden in another 4 yr term you were not comfortable with when I asked you directly about his cognition,  perhaps I misinterpreted that? 

Anyway, I appreciate your honest comment. I may look over the posts to see if I missed something. 

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

I'm pretty sure you would call Hitler better than Trump at this point. 

While simultaneously calling Trump Hitler. LOL

You're pretty sure?  Your guesses and speculations are fitting for a triggered cult member.  

Maybe you have something to say that isn't about me.  I doubt it, but maybe.  

[toomuchbaloney]

Crusades said:

Perhaps I've missed these times of baloney refering to Biden as '"old /cognitive decline" as I am new to the thread? Or perhaps it is lost amoung the long post of Trump rants? Or the general theme revert back to denial? That's my impression anyway. 

I get the impression he may said this because he has to. Not that he believes it. Yes. Pin point analysis of Trump as always been the norm so a continuation now won't be seen as anything different. The deflect to Trump is a commen occurrence even when not discussing him outright. Followed by repetitive verses resembling a chant . Then followed by ad hominiem attacks complete with accusations associating me with "Hitler" a "cult victim" and insults to my nursing credentials because I support Trump and have a differnt opinion than baloney. This is how I associate his behavior as cult like. Even after an admission of Biden being too old. So I respectively disagree that the assertations of baloney exhibiting cult like behaviors he often imposes on others as unwarranted.  

I do believe you said that Biden in another 4 yr term you were not comfortable with when I asked you directly about his cognition,  perhaps I misinterpreted that? 

Anyway, I appreciate your honest comment. I may look over the posts to see if I missed something. 

You associate yourself with the candidate who emulates Hitler and surrounds himself with racists and criminals.  You associate with the candidate who enjoys a cult of personality.  You choose to repeat his lies and political attacks.  No one who is in a cult thinks that they are in a cult.  

No one did any of those things to you.  It's just uncomfortable for you when the realities of Trump's right wing extremist politics and support is affiliated with you in writing by those who are not fans of the authoritarian agenda and dishonest bully tactics of the republican candidate. The best way to end that emotional and psychological discomfort is to eliminate that connection between yourself and the candidate and the racists, the neo nazis, and the other extremist groups that gravitate toward the crazy candidate. 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

Crusades said:

Perhaps I've missed these times of baloney refering to Biden as '"old /cognitive decline" as I am new to the thread? Or perhaps it is lost amoung the long post of Trump rants? Or the general theme revert back to denial? That's my impression anyway. 

I get the impression he may said this because he has to. Not that he believes it. Yes. Pin point analysis of Trump as always been the norm so a continuation now won't be seen as anything different. The deflect to Trump is a commen occurrence even when not discussing him outright. Followed by repetitive verses resembling a chant . Then followed by ad hominiem attacks complete with accusations associating me with "Hitler" a "cult victim" and insults to my nursing credentials because I support Trump and have a differnt opinion than baloney. This is how I associate his behavior as cult like. Even after an admission of Biden being too old. So I respectively disagree that the assertations of baloney exhibiting cult like behaviors he often imposes on others as unwarranted.  

I do believe you said that Biden in another 4 yr term you were not comfortable with when I asked you directly about his cognition,  perhaps I misinterpreted that? 

Anyway, I appreciate your honest comment. I may look over the posts to see if I missed something. 

Yes, you're correct, I said that and even a coupe of years ago stated I hoped he would retire because I know his mental condition would be the #1 issue and it was.  But also I was sure he was going to drop out and I was right about that.

It is no longer an issue and not really something that is going to take up any space in my head anymore.  He's out.  You once said the #1 issue you didn't support about Biden was his cognition and "even though he lies" you're for Trump because he's not in decline.  There's no argument that Harris isn't cognitively impaired, so I'm moving on talking about her.

It's understandable you missed TMG saying Biden was old and not as sharp as he once was, you're newish and it's hard to capture amongst his rants and not a point he made often, but a time or two he agreed with that sentiment.  The man is 81, how could one not call him old.

I have called out TMB many, many times about deflecting and changing the subject and bring up Trump in every single discussion but he's so stubborn and passionate about it he ignores me and rationalizes it.  You would be wise to give that up, he's not going to change.

Another poster would also jump down him about the stereotyping of Republicans as cult-like, etc. saying "some, not all Republicans.....insert topic" and you can see that hasn't changed either.   You would be wise to give that up as well.

There have been some op ED's written about the rise of Christian Nationalism and some of the things going on in America right now in comparison to the rise of Nazism so I kind of get that.

I've also pointed out what I think sometimes is indeed cult like before.  How else can you explain his rise to power given his history given his disbelief in the democratic system?

I also will say some of the meme cringe memes of Harris as Wonder Woman and Captain America are a bit cultish.  LOL

 

[Crusades]

toomuchbaloney said:

You associate yourself with the candidate who emulates Hitler and surrounds himself with racists and criminals.  You associate with the candidate who enjoys a cult of personality.  You choose to repeat his lies and political attacks.  No one who is in a cult thinks that they are in a cult.  

No one did any of those things to you.  It's just uncomfortable for you when the realities of Trump's right wing extremist politics and support is affiliated with you in writing by those who are not fans of the authoritarian agenda and dishonest bully tactics of the republican candidate. The best way to end that emotional and psychological discomfort is to eliminate that connection between yourself and the candidate and the racists, the neo nazis, and the other extremist groups that gravitate toward the crazy candidate. 

 

Do you think you're in a cult? No? Well nobody who's in a cult thinks there in a cult. LOL. 

Being a Trump supporter does not make one a Nazi or a racist. Get real. That strategy no longer works. Nobody cares. He was supposed to be Hitler incarnate in 2016, he wasn't. You should fall back on talking about his ear dressing and if he was really shot with a bullet or not. 

Nor does being a Biden supporter make some one a kkk member even though he gave a eulogy to a former KKK member. Or a racist because Biden said he didn't want his kids to go to school in a "racial jungle". 

You object to the assination of Hiler because you are against "political violence"  in your own words. That is far larger  association to Hiler than if someone voted for Trump or not. 

I think you chose to disagree with an assination of Hilter because you cannot fathom admitting that the "Trump is Hitler" narrative is only hyperbolic and disingenuous. Nobody expected an assassination attempt. Woops. Now that's some cult like devotion to a narrative  if I've ever seen it. Objecting to the death of Hitler?   However you'll disagree cuz no one in a cult thinks they are in one. Right? 

Guilt by association is the most ridiculous propaganda fallacy tactic. 

Did I say I had emotional or phycological "discomfort "? Perhaps you should advise me on what mental illness I have? Considering you think you have some sort of authority to do that.  Is that a symptom of narcissist grandiose? 

[toomuchbaloney]

Cults involve much more than mockery through memes.  Cults use misinformation and lies and bullying to control members. They call them names and ostracize members to shame them into changing their views. Cults use behavior modification techniques to move cult members from previous values (family values, honesty, personal accountability, etc) to the values favorable to the cult leader.  

The coalition behind Harris has no resemblance to a cult, IMV.  It is a very organic and wide spread movement of Americans who are deeply opposed to Trump's candidacy.  Trump is the oldest, craziest and most unpopular presidential nominee in the history of presidential party nominees. He's a felon and fraud and an adjudicated rapist.  It takes a relentless diet of lies and nonsense to keep his voting base motivated and ignorant of the realities of his mental illness and un-American ideas.  

 

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

Here's an idea ran across in my internet travels tonight:

Philly Inquirer Opinion 7/29/24

Why Kamala Harris should choose a Republican as her running mate

My vote for Adam Kinzinger perfect running mate in this scenerio.

 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

NRSKarenRN said:

Here's an idea ran across in my internet travels tonight:

Philly Inquirer Opinion 7/29/24

Why Kamala Harris should choose a Republican as her running mate

My vote for Adam Kinzinger perfect running mate in this scenerio.

 

 

 

NRSKarenRN said:

Here's an idea ran across in my internet travels tonight:

Philly Inquirer Opinion 7/29/24

Why Kamala Harris should choose a Republican as her running mate

My vote for Adam Kinzinger perfect running mate in this scenerio.

 

 

I've heard a number of people talking about this.  There were some people talking about it at one of the candidate booths/tables at the fair today. 

I'm ambivalent about it. I don't think that the moderate, independent and undecided voters need a split ticket from the DNC as much as they need a clear contrast of the visions and agendas of the presidential candidates.  I think that Harris's hopeful and positive messaging will help people to justify voting for her, even if she doesn't choose a straight white man to act as her VP.  I don't think she should pander to conservatives who won't vote for Trump.  The point about the senate is important, in my view.  

In the end I think Shapiro is a smart choice.  He is a consistent and sharp antiTrump voice with great governance experience.  He's popular in Pennsylvania and the Midwest and he won't take a Democrat out of the Senate like Kelly or Warren would.  We really don't want to lose that D next to that AZ seat, in particular. 

I think that Harris's VP choice will be better vetted and considered than Trump's was.  Who really would be comfortable with the thought of President Vance?