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I had a Bachelor's Degree in Business, did some graduate work in education, completed a year of Physical Therapist Assistant School before switching to nursing. I chose a three year hospital based nursing program where you had to have your prerequis...

May it has something to do with nurses making more working on units. I know my program lost instructors who said that. Not 100% sure.

Agree. One also used to be able to teach in nursing programs with an MSN. Not sure if they want a Doctorate now.

To PMFB-RN; Great point. I still believe a lot of it has do with many of those driving the BSN push being employed as program directors and professors at Colleges and Universities that have four year nursing programs. As inflation continues an...

Well put.

"If a hospital can treat a patient while spending less money than the DRG payment for that illness, the hospital makes a profit. If, while treating the hospitalized patient, the hospital spends more money than the DRG payment, the hospital will lose ...

The order of priorities of a majority of healthcare facilities: 1. Increase revenue 2. Cut costs 3. Patient care What's really disturbing is that all those nurses who have posted here with stories of being forced out with 20+ years of experience are ...

You're right, let me change the phrase "the type of nursing school" to what I meant "the type of nursing program". There are great ADN, 3 Year Diploma, and BSN RN Nursing Schools and then there are some that are not so good. Just recently a four ye...

You're exactly right. Three big reasons for pushing four year school are below: "200 college and university campuses have closed during the last 10 years due to decreasing enrollments as baby boomers aged" (Nursing Spectrum, Jan. 9, 2012). "For the...

The facts are in the study itself; but you have to know have to sift through all the corporate-speak. Something you don't seem to be able to do. It requires thinking outside the box, which is how most problems in the real world get solved. And by ...

I agree with you. And employers have the right to choose whatever candidates they want. There is no shortage of nurses right now. That may change as more baby-boomer nurses retire. I just don't believe that any nurse with 20+ years of experience ...

That means a lot to me coming from someone who a few years ago, in their usual smug way, bragged about whether they were going for a doctorate in Psychology or Nurse Practitioner because they knew they were only going to have to pay back only a porti...

My vehemence is the Aiken study being promulgated as Gospel truth by organizations such as the AACN. Nothing wrong is someone chooses to get a BSN, Associates, or Diploma. As long as they provide competent care.

I can't not publish their name for the same reason you won't reveal your real name. I have published links to the research rebutting Aiken's study on other threads concerning this topic. I work for a living and don't have the time to spend hunting ...

The head of certain state nurse's association said nurses weren't professionals unless they had at least a BSN. That was in no uncertain terms saying that their work, value and contributions are not as respected as other nurses. That was one of the...

Do you get paid by this site to troll for comments that don't fit into the university academic mindset; cause you're always on it. For the heck of it, I checked into many of these so-called programs that supposedly will give you a BSN for $6000 or l...

I have a math and business background in addition to nursing. I know what mutually exclusive means better than most and am adept with statistics. Too many unnamed variables in Aiken's study with the inclusion and exclusion of data based solely on t...

I completely agree about nurse staffing levels being a factor in mortality rates. But the topics of staffing levels and nurse education and their effect on mortality rates are mutually exclusive and should have been examined in that way if the autho...

The information about using gross estimations and then and then making an estimation about what MIGHT happen if there was a 10% increase in BSN nurses are buried in the body of the study. I posted that before. Funny, one of my former nursing profes...

I know you are afraid. It's why you crawl out of your little cubby-hole, along with the other one from Boston to try to refute it when I write about it. Everything I said about the Aiken study was true and in the study itself; which I'm starting to...

Just telling the truth. And you and those who think like you have every right to be afraid. As opposed to a few years ago, many nurses have or will be retiring soon; and will not be afraid to talk now. I have contacted the Gov. of NY as well as we...

The IOM based its recommendation of 80% BSN nurses by 2020 on the highly flawed 2003 Aiken study which used gross estimations, incomplete data, and much self-affirming validity to only IMPLY the more BSN nurses equate to lower mortality rates in hosp...

The statements from the study as well as the study itself are below. ADMIN EDIT: Read in its entirety: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3077115/

Thank you once again for two things, confirming what I already knew; that that the majority of you circling the wagons in defense of this "study" work for academia. Also for allowing me once again to quote from the study you again sent me which I al...

The disclaimers are in the 2003 original study; they opted (wonder why) not to include them in the abstracts. The 2011 release was nothing more than a rehash of the 2003 release with nothing new. I knew when I wrote about this again, those in acade...