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I appreciate your summary of her thread . it make sense & yes it did occur to me that she could have been saying the same you have just explained above . I too have done some clinicals and orientation which didn't advance my knowledge ,it only profited me to put in my clinicals hours. So i get her point . BUT I choose to reply in the manner i did on purpose because i have been exposed in my working experience to some people( nurses) who come in this field with a different agenda other than the love and compassion to care for the sick .Therefore thinking of themselves too good to perform various task they consider > . So i wanted to share my thought on that in case she was of of them ! I still don't see why she would "OMG " b/c a pt is taking 17 meds. By this time working toward her BSN that shouldn't have been surprising for her . I am aware of the factor reading /comprehension/misinterpretation of messages and i would like to say I respect that she expressed her frustration in the way that was fit for her . I also replied in my understanding of her words. Hope she was not being condescending .....you know we can't always tell by reading someone's notes .Few others replies here were also leaning in my view but let me say in the light of your explanation i wish her success and empathize she felt that way. Take care dudette10:nurse:.

Ok. take care .

..i stand by my opinion .. I know exactly who is missing 'a point around here :coollook: lol... did complaining changed the situation ? good luck in your nursing career.

I am for both your opinion and lilmarcha's below here to whom you replied . 1st -Why on her side ? because some nurses those who tend to look down on cna's ( Yes we know they exist) so these nurses who like to rub their title in ppl faces and carry themselves with their nose high above their ears ... yet when faced with an opportunity to do a task usually performed by cna the nurse goes uuh.....So lilmacha's point may be that learning and knowing the job in this field starting form bottom up may be best because you know and make sense of what you are doing. i felt on specific occasions that working as cna for just a brief time before becoming a Nurse could have benefit me more with regard to ADLs for residents .I was clueless for the most part on task i had to delegate for cna's .It was not a good thing or feeling for me being in a leadership position yet i was struggling to make sense of simple task when a question is asked & i couldn't answer i.e using the lift for transfert . I got all the test question right in school about when or why lift is to be used but never seen it being done so until i was Nurse in charge helping a new Cna in orientation who is calling me for help because she does not know how to operate the lift was challenging . i found myself :confused:finally i had to call for a rescue from other cna and decided to come in the room to learn along with the new girl and after ....each time a lift was used i will ask cna's to let me try the machine so i could know too lol.... another i.e will be diaper change ,i didn't have to do but did not like a resident waiting either if i happen to be in the room or around when the pt did their bathroom. i will grab any cna going down the hall no matter if she was assigned or not to this specific pt and we will change . But i come to realize once again the many things ( positions, technique ) i didn't know when doing this task. SO relying on cna help for simple stuff i could have known if i had been one before is one reason why i agree to such comment working step by step as Cna -Lpn -Rn -Bsn and going further is the best way actually had some experienced Nurses and Dr told me the same . Now i also agree with you because time and time over the cna's in team on a particualr shift often time told me they wish they could be me so they could be seated and JUST charting . Just charting ???? i would ask and say work your way up and wait until you get here to deal with all the critical thinking & accountability that goes with this huh!!!!:rolleyes: As matter of fact i wanted to be them every now and than & be able to clock out 5 min before the shift end but no i found myself staying regularly if less time it was 1hr delay to complete charting, incident reports and pharmacy orders .

YES DEFENSIVE of cna's & nurses LPN's in particular why? because of the work they do. Everyone called nurse went to pass the board exam. Got it on the first attempt ( speaking for myself here) . Therefore even on a public forum it will be appreciated that expressing opinions be done mindfully minimizing any words , statement that could be perceived to be condescending . i.e " I BSN student shadowing LPN " " OMG all they "lpn " do is pass meds to the resident 98% of time " meaning what ? they could be doing some other better things or important than helping residents take their 17 meds a day ????? anyway i noticed this was corrected with the new update giving more respect and realizing the hard work LPN do . There is no point going back and forth on this subject , at this point everyone spoke their mind . By the way ! EVERYONE is here EXPRESSING their OPINIONS on a PUBLIC forum.

Because it is a public forum we all are free to express our opinion. ... . She asked for honest answer and that what i see ppl doing here , at least i did in my opinion . You don't agree with the way ppl are expressing themselves ,you call that bickering... i don't . She has the right to vent in her frustration but it is best that she or anyone doing so keep in mind that addressing people on a public forum can be done in a sensitive manner not to offend the readers .Talking about an LPN working 98% passing meds sound to me as if she considering that to be retard or being less of a nurse .That how i took it and was glad to read one of her update giving more respect and realizing that LPN do more than what she first thought , her language was much better this time .While you are asking everyone to try and see things in her view ,i like to add that she or anyone else on these forum need to be aware that not only their view count . But words & statement used can be offensive for some of the fellow nurses especially when it being addressed in a condescending manner .

"Anyway, we are beating a dead horse. Clinicals are going to be what they are. Some will be good, some, not so much. I will go on, pass my boards, and continue on to my MSN, which is my short term goal. My long term goal is to go on and get my DNP. Only 4 more clinical rotations and the whole program is done." good point . let move on

I am only speaking from my experience and what the BSN did when i worked few years ago in a NH. Yes They did more in service , working along with Dr's, social worker , Physical therapist i mean everything you can think of on a multidisciplinary level with regard to resident and their care. But when the LPN was concerned it all come down to Supervision. Now you know , you couldn't have assumed but i have been there and it was done the way i am am explaining .why not verify this with your instructor and ask about my simply bizarre view to find out for yourself. Again supervising is only one among many duty and responsibility that comes along i know that . I was suggesting this because when placed to shadow an LPN there is nothing else to be done but supervise why? b/c you are a step higher in education .

That why it may be best at time to consider starting from bottom up by the time you learn a little bit of everything from being Cna, Lpn, Rn , working you knowlege and skills up. Some ppl choose going straight to the 4 yr program and those are mostly the one who complaint because all they got is theory .

Well explained . All i saw in her post was complaint . This will help not just her but everyone who will come across your post.Kudo:yeah:

The nurse BSN duty if working in a LTC is more supervision and little hand on , i am talking of a full licensed one . . Therefore in my message i am saying that the BSN student could use this time to get comfortable and learn a this role so that if she ever worked in such facility will benefit her. I worked in a NH at one point and the BSN student who come for clinical this is what they did along with their instructor or another employee BSN on duty helping them showing them duty in their scope of practice .Have you tried to ask these questions to your instructors they have an answer for you i am sure of it!

On the job training is the answer . Just as you did with passing meds . you trained yourself and got better and better .Don't get me wrong it sad to not have enough training &practicing toward your next level of duty but you and all of us know how things work , on the job training is the answer .

YEs she did you can tell in her quote " I BSN student " and her other quote " I fully appreciate that I can learn a lot from an LPN and these people bust their A** all day, every day. My issue is that my university placed me in a clinical situation where I am shadowing a nurse who 98 % of the time is handing out PO meds to long term residents, who are primarily stable (because they take 17 meds 3 times a day...OMG). " NOw you tell me what she implied ?????? how do you interpret that " I BSN student" "OMG" " 98% of time handing out Po meds"????? You mean to tell me at this point she was not thinking too much of herself ? come on ....... Did read her update? , she is confirming this but only now she has an understanding of what LPN's deal with on the floor and appreciate it in her own words "Thank you all so much for your kind words of encouragement, support, and advice. And to all of the LPN's out there who do their best to care for their 30-45 patients during a shift, I respect the Hell out of you and wish you well! " when she may have had a point being frustrated , i felt she was focused on her BSN title making the mistake of looking down on other health care workers and that what i responded to. all is good i am thinking she has a new mind now about her other fellow nurses who haven't got working on their BSN Yet! a caring nurse will never allow herself to get caught up in title

I was born to be a Nurse that is why my language barrier never come in between while in the schooling process . nursing is my Passion . I have it in my heart.... love , care , compassion that always been my motivation in becoming a nurse . Remember i never said her frustration had no base . being a nurse i know she got a point . It is the way she went about it in her various quote , i felt she spoke bilittering others health care workers who happened to be in the same field as her . Now that was the reason of my diatribe ......as for the rest i understand and rendez-vous when i am in my BSN program . take care .

Let clarify something when RN's in clinical rotation are put to work with LPN's it not so that the RN could learn from the LPN but for the RN to get comfortable in her new supervising position observing the LPN ,verifying that she does things correctly. You may not like spending your days and hrs shadowing a lower level nurse but it is what it is and it is part of your learning process into your new duty role. I don't even know why i am explaining this because clearly if doing so was not part of the curriculum why would your instructors assigned you to that in the first place??? I know one RN BSN who worked as Cna at a LTC , she worked her way up to LPN , than RN and got her BSN . She will come back for her clinical at the same facility . She told me every time it was different because with her new knowledge her thinking ability was also upgraded , she was watching the nurses not as to learn from them but this time to verify and test her own knowledge vs what the lower level nurse was doing while training herself to teach and supervise base on whatever mistakes or lacks she would observed during her assignment period. So you don't need to be unhappy about it when or if it happens, just know your objectives going in there and you will have fun.

I get her frustration .... anyone would ....i too had moment of frustrated during my first clinical rotation times when i would be expecting to learn how to start an IV and they will have me take care for the whole 8hrs shift of a pt on isolation giving Po med .putting on & off those gloves , mask ect...only to see the pt swallow their meds .. i didn't think that was learning .... but instead of feeding my frustration , i had to pause a minute and realize that this too was and will forever be part of my duties as a nurse . Not every pt need to be sticked So i resolved to take care of this pt the best i could doing so with love and compassion and that is what i learned . I don't have a problem with the entire post , See you are advocating for her but read the post again and you will see she started the BSN vs LPN , CNA , ADN thing her quote says it "14 wks med/surg at a nursing home, where I (a BSN student) shadow an LPN whose primary duties is to administer medications to 30-45 patients in their 8 hours shift. " And her other quote "" I fully appreciate that I can learn a lot from an LPN and these people bust their A** all day, every day. My issue is that my university placed me in a clinical situation where I am shadowing a nurse who 98 % of the time is handing out PO meds to long term residents, who are primarily stable (because they take 17 meds 3 times a day...OMG). " NOw you tell me what she implied ??????

You guess is right , . i can understand you saying my comprehension lacking but i doubt it is the case because i know what i am reading on these post and what my response are . I am aware that my way of writing( structures& sentences ) may not be clear enough for you but trust that derives from my ability to speak 5 different languages and it takes a well trained brain to switch in and out from various languages therefore i don't need to excuse myself for having that much knowledge. American English is not my first language but i graduated in the United State of America from an accredited Nursing college. i only have 2 more semester left before i can enroll for the BSN program in question here lol...So leave the language out of this ! let talk Nursing ,knowledge and education

You sound too like one of them who get to full and confuse in their title as well. And you missing my point . I am only saying LPN's are supervised by RN's ,BSN 's therefore the BSN student here could carry herself in that role ,she don't know much yet but whatever she got , she could find ways to test herself while SHADOWING this LPN ...i.e in between med pass , charting time , they can sit and as one of the post suggested here review the resident lab work , Dx, Hx , Tx plan and talk over making sense of the disease process and prescribed meds ,just being creative and making the best of her time instead of complaining ! Can you picture her on the floor ??? they way she presenting her post makes me think she wouldn't even get close to the resident being cared for since in her view being there is waste of time .....talking about " I BSN student " that one really got to me she is getting her nose up too high that she thinks the instructor made a mistake placing her on that assignment . did you read her update YES Now you can tell she had seen some stuff and therefore once she is fully BSN graduate on the job she will be able to tackle some things she wouldn't have know happen had she not been place on this assignment .tell me i am wrong on this one ?This my opinion anyway .

Hi I am calm still i needed to express what i think of this post , see you right she is here to vent but read in between lines you will see i mean . Although i am ok with her being frustrated because she feels cheated on her learning she went wrong when talking about "Lpn"" Cna" duties and her shadowing an Lpn and all that OMG did she really need to put it that way ? trust me i worked under an RN BSN once and she was full of herself reminding everyone on the floor including family members coming to visit their loved one , of her BSN title Yet her simple nursing basic skills was pitiful ,she was the kind we call book smart and will shake and postpone a simple task when it come to hand on practical care until someone else will come to her rescue . I am sure you understand what i am reffereing to but you want to encourage the original post i dn't think that right because she having her nose up talking about " I BSN student " did you read that line ??????what does that say to you ?

Just read your update and what did you do about these situations? or did you just ignore them and walk off ? You sound much better this time or should i say broken . You have seen and experienced also learned some stuff hein? and now giving respect to whom it due for the hard work .

quit complaining . or is it because you are working toward your bsn . listen to you talk "14 wks med/surg at a nursing home, where i (a bsn student) shadow an lpn whose primary duties is to administer medications to 30-45 patients in their 8 hours shift. " reading this alone make me realize : you are too full of yourself and be careful before you hurt a patient in the process on your nursing journey . you knew you were going off on your thinking so you asked in advance that this turn not into a discussion but really that what your entire post is asking for a debate i am guessing you see and think of yourself as being more than other nurses hun? how do you explain what you wrote ? quote " where i (a bsn student) shadow an lpn whose primary duties is to administer medications to 30-45 patients in their 8 hours shift. " this speaks volume of you again watch yourself not to wear that title over your head . read again what you wrote below " i fully appreciate that i can learn a lot from an lpn and these people bust their a** all day, every day. my issue is that my university placed me in a clinical situation where i am shadowing a nurse who 98 % of the time is handing out po meds to long term residents, who are primarily stable (because they take 17 meds 3 times a day...omg). " are you serious ???? these people ???? bust their a** at your level ( bsn student ) shouldn't you know a proper way and language that will fit to adress any compliment if at all sincere to your fellow nurses ? ok what wrong with lpn passing po meds 98% and you shadowing her ? are you sure you are in this field for your love of nursing or is there a hidden agenda? money may be ???? a nurse by heart will wipe butt with satisfaction a complete 8 hrs shift if that what requires for the pt comfort and no complaint. you are complaining ????? you can take advantage of the time and learn all there is info ( action, adverse effect / side effect / drug interaction ect...all about those meds being passed and while there share your knowledge as a bsn student with the lpn who in view has no better things to do than pass meds 98% 8 hrs a shift. did you had to end your quote with omg ???? really???????you sound like those nurses who wear their title on their head yet have no compassion for the patients and know little to nothing about hands on practical nursing care . it also clear from your wrinting that you went straight to the higher degree you never been in the cna's lpn's position to realize what nursing is truly about . caring for the patient and that you can do whatever you are . in home, nursing home , in a car traveling... you don't have to be in the hospital to practice nursing . it sad from your post i can feel resentment not just for the dedicated nurses you have to shadowed but for the patients as well . did you realize that you have just said outloud that being there to help resident take their meds is a waste of your time omg!!!!! being that you are a step higher in education take time to read about the resident hx and illness , discuss that with the lpn , help her understand and learn what you know and she may not about the various condition and disease process + tx . make your time there a learning experience .trust me you will do yourself a favor instead of being here complaining. you are missing the point of your clinical. i believe your assignment has to do with you taking on a role of supervisor, teacher , and perhaps to break you down who knows your instructor may have seen in you someone who 's full of herself forgetting that it all about the patient. therefore you need to walk in cna's , lpn's shoes just like you are and i am sure you feeling it !

I don't think 30's or 40's is that old.You make it sound as if this is way way up there.Sacrymary just told you, life has a habit of changing plans.So As you can see your plans of wanting to be home & talking about what you think is the appropriate age,it seem this will not work.what you should U do? work with life and you will acheive your goal.Be flexible.As matter of fac you t need to learn to compromise and have flexibility in your plan for you are going to need these qualities once you become a nurse if u ever decide to complete your studies.I am not 30 yet but i am sure for my RN degree i will persue it in my 30's-and I don't see in any way how that will be too old..For now I am seeking an LPN certificate ,it has never been my choice but I adjusted myself to life demands.I starrted college since 2004,my husband is in the Army so we keep moving and I stop each time we move to new state.Plus i am a mom of 2 young kids,so i take evening class to balance it taking care of my kids& house work.Guess what? this is now 2009 meaning 5 years has gone by .Thankfully this is a great year for me because I have only 5 course left to take & definetly I am going to graduate this year.But again look how I did it.Did'nt give up,didn't count my age,didn't got discouraged because this what I will obtain in 5 years ,a full time student and one who dos'nt move like I do ,will complete the program in a year.or 2 if more.And I am not stoping here.Once I get this one,just about the time to work the 500 hours required as preQ for RN I will find a way to come back and complete my RN degree however possible i can. It must be hard for you now as your are sad for not being accepted ,but I beleive you can stick around ,take this time to do something ,may be bring all your finances together.Work an save so when the time came all you have is study.Keep your dream alive u can catch on with all of us and those who ahead of us. We all have on final destination,work with ill people.and people will get sick for aslong as life exist.So don't pressure yourself .You will have plenty of time for school and time left for care to the ill.every year people graduate from nursing and this has been going on since before you were even born.no need to discourage you can get it done on your own term and turn.Follow my path if you want to but don't let go if this is what you want to be.

don't he have family member who can talk him into it? The physician or any others hospital professional can rely on the help and/or support of family .This way may be he will agree to cooperate having his family stand his side .This is all i can think of . I am still in school so i really don't know how things work in the real world out there. didn't even know a pt can be allowed for stay up to month without being showered.

take care:nurse:

Yes ghost do exist.From what you are saying it is clear that you had an encounter with a ghost.Actually it must be someone who died and her spirit still around.It may be a pt who died while been hospitalized and I say this for sign she displayed by walking in hospital gown and pushing an IV pole. Here is what i think You are to do. of course make sure to not walk alone down the basement any longer.Going to the basement with somebody won't stop these things to occur ifthey want to but you it allows you to have a back up just in casefor some reason U can't get back up the floor by yourself.You do not need to convince your coworker to believe in what you have seen .Because They won't unless they see this for themselves. But You know it real!!! because you have seen it .In This earth we live there is so much misterious things that happens and it seems only few people are granted acces to discover such things.Consider yourself to be one one of the choosen.Why you and not others? I don't know. Thake it from me ,I have had strange things happen to me too all of my life ,the most recent one just happen 3 years ago ,this time I did come in contact with real people but in fact they were working for lucifer and had a mission to bring death in my family.I mean they didn't seek to kill me physically but it all were supposed to happen spiritually.If You are a Christain You may be able to understand this,let say they are doing evil work ,same king like vodoo or to be a little precise Wictcraft.And I have been seeing things for a while,despite the suffering and torture i went trough ,unfortunatly even my husband still won't beleive ,things like ghost or evil deed exist.so Ask for someone to come with you if you are to go to basement.And Make sure you say a prayer to God,asking him to protect you from any harm or death spirit that may be looking to get at you.I say death spirit because people who have gone on the other side(dead) appear to us on this side of life sometimes in dream or like in your case ,they appear as ghost .From my own experience and other testemonies I have heard when things like this happen it may be a love one who is dead but is reaching to send a message to you.(in my case before any of what I explain above happened I had dream of 2 family members who had died long before I was even born.All I have seen of them was pictures.but They surely come to me in dream,they were looking at me with sadness bu we were unable to communicate./Only later after the event i remembered that dream and understood they wre warning of my life and things that were to take place.Somehow their spirit did catch on the evil plans these people had wanting me to die.In your case Since this happened in your place of work it may aslo be that a pt you once took care of and had died just wanted to manifest herself to you to signifie that you were once in contact before she went on the other side.But than again it may be that she want to caution you on things going around you .It may even be that In your work place there people who do not want your presence.Planning to eliminate you.Who knows.That the difficult part ,when these spirit manifest themselves they do not tell clearly what is it they come to us for.....keep your spirit high and trust in God proctection.But also be vigilant with people around you.Do not doubt any moment what you saw,because ghost do exist ,proof of what you saw filmy" and transparent. they don't have our phisycal body any more.But live now just like spirit . Take care.