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I appreciate your summary of her thread . it make sense & yes it did occur to me that she could have been saying the same you have just explained above . I too have done some clinicals and orientation which didn't advance my knowledge ,it only profited me to put in my clinicals hours. So i get her point . BUT I choose to reply in the manner i did on purpose because i have been exposed in my working experience to some people( nurses) who come in this field with a different agenda other than the love and compassion to care for the sick .Therefore thinking of themselves too good to perform various task they consider > . So i wanted to share my thought on that in case she was of of them ! I still don't see why she would "OMG " b/c a pt is taking 17 meds. By this time working toward her BSN that shouldn't have been surprising for her . I am aware of the factor reading /comprehension/misinterpretation of messages and i would like to say I respect that she expressed her frustration in the way that was fit for her . I also replied in my understanding of her words. Hope she was not being condescending .....you know we can't always tell by reading someone's notes .Few others replies here were also leaning in my view but let me say in the light of your explanation i wish her success and empathize she felt that way. Take care dudette10:nurse:.

Ok. take care .

..i stand by my opinion .. I know exactly who is missing 'a point around here :coollook: lol... did complaining changed the situation ? good luck in your nursing career.

I am for both your opinion and lilmarcha's below here to whom you replied . 1st -Why on her side ? because some nurses those who tend to look down on cna's ( Yes we know they exist) so these nurses who like to rub their title in ppl faces and carry themselves with their nose high above their ears ... yet when faced with an opportunity to do a task usually performed by cna the nurse goes uuh.....So lilmacha's point may be that learning and knowing the job in this field starting form bottom up may be best because you know and make sense of what you are doing. i felt on specific occasions that working as cna for just a brief time before becoming a Nurse could have benefit me more with regard to ADLs for residents .I was clueless for the most part on task i had to delegate for cna's .It was not a good thing or feeling for me being in a leadership position yet i was struggling to make sense of simple task when a question is asked & i couldn't answer i.e using the lift for transfert . I got all the test question right in school about when or why lift is to be used but never seen it being done so until i was Nurse in charge helping a new Cna in orientation who is calling me for help because she does not know how to operate the lift was challenging . i found myself :confused:finally i had to call for a rescue from other cna and decided to come in the room to learn along with the new girl and after ....each time a lift was used i will ask cna's to let me try the machine so i could know too lol.... another i.e will be diaper change ,i didn't have to do but did not like a resident waiting either if i happen to be in the room or around when the pt did their bathroom. i will grab any cna going down the hall no matter if she was assigned or not to this specific pt and we will change . But i come to realize once again the many things ( positions, technique ) i didn't know when doing this task. SO relying on cna help for simple stuff i could have known if i had been one before is one reason why i agree to such comment working step by step as Cna -Lpn -Rn -Bsn and going further is the best way actually had some experienced Nurses and Dr told me the same . Now i also agree with you because time and time over the cna's in team on a particualr shift often time told me they wish they could be me so they could be seated and JUST charting . Just charting ???? i would ask and say work your way up and wait until you get here to deal with all the critical thinking & accountability that goes with this huh!!!!:rolleyes: As matter of fact i wanted to be them every now and than & be able to clock out 5 min before the shift end but no i found myself staying regularly if less time it was 1hr delay to complete charting, incident reports and pharmacy orders .

YES DEFENSIVE of cna's & nurses LPN's in particular why? because of the work they do. Everyone called nurse went to pass the board exam. Got it on the first attempt ( speaking for myself here) . Therefore even on a public forum it will be appreciated that expressing opinions be done mindfully minimizing any words , statement that could be perceived to be condescending . i.e " I BSN student shadowing LPN " " OMG all they "lpn " do is pass meds to the resident 98% of time " meaning what ? they could be doing some other better things or important than helping residents take their 17 meds a day ????? anyway i noticed this was corrected with the new update giving more respect and realizing the hard work LPN do . There is no point going back and forth on this subject , at this point everyone spoke their mind . By the way ! EVERYONE is here EXPRESSING their OPINIONS on a PUBLIC forum.

Because it is a public forum we all are free to express our opinion. ... . She asked for honest answer and that what i see ppl doing here , at least i did in my opinion . You don't agree with the way ppl are expressing themselves ,you call that bickering... i don't . She has the right to vent in her frustration but it is best that she or anyone doing so keep in mind that addressing people on a public forum can be done in a sensitive manner not to offend the readers .Talking about an LPN working 98% passing meds sound to me as if she considering that to be retard or being less of a nurse .That how i took it and was glad to read one of her update giving more respect and realizing that LPN do more than what she first thought , her language was much better this time .While you are asking everyone to try and see things in her view ,i like to add that she or anyone else on these forum need to be aware that not only their view count . But words & statement used can be offensive for some of the fellow nurses especially when it being addressed in a condescending manner .

"Anyway, we are beating a dead horse. Clinicals are going to be what they are. Some will be good, some, not so much. I will go on, pass my boards, and continue on to my MSN, which is my short term goal. My long term goal is to go on and get my DNP. Only 4 more clinical rotations and the whole program is done." good point . let move on

I am only speaking from my experience and what the BSN did when i worked few years ago in a NH. Yes They did more in service , working along with Dr's, social worker , Physical therapist i mean everything you can think of on a multidisciplinary level with regard to resident and their care. But when the LPN was concerned it all come down to Supervision. Now you know , you couldn't have assumed but i have been there and it was done the way i am am explaining .why not verify this with your instructor and ask about my simply bizarre view to find out for yourself. Again supervising is only one among many duty and responsibility that comes along i know that . I was suggesting this because when placed to shadow an LPN there is nothing else to be done but supervise why? b/c you are a step higher in education .

That why it may be best at time to consider starting from bottom up by the time you learn a little bit of everything from being Cna, Lpn, Rn , working you knowlege and skills up. Some ppl choose going straight to the 4 yr program and those are mostly the one who complaint because all they got is theory .

Well explained . All i saw in her post was complaint . This will help not just her but everyone who will come across your post.Kudo:yeah:

The nurse BSN duty if working in a LTC is more supervision and little hand on , i am talking of a full licensed one . . Therefore in my message i am saying that the BSN student could use this time to get comfortable and learn a this role so that if she ever worked in such facility will benefit her. I worked in a NH at one point and the BSN student who come for clinical this is what they did along with their instructor or another employee BSN on duty helping them showing them duty in their scope of practice .Have you tried to ask these questions to your instructors they have an answer for you i am sure of it!

On the job training is the answer . Just as you did with passing meds . you trained yourself and got better and better .Don't get me wrong it sad to not have enough training &practicing toward your next level of duty but you and all of us know how things work , on the job training is the answer .

YEs she did you can tell in her quote " I BSN student " and her other quote " I fully appreciate that I can learn a lot from an LPN and these people bust their A** all day, every day. My issue is that my university placed me in a clinical situation where I am shadowing a nurse who 98 % of the time is handing out PO meds to long term residents, who are primarily stable (because they take 17 meds 3 times a day...OMG). " NOw you tell me what she implied ?????? how do you interpret that " I BSN student" "OMG" " 98% of time handing out Po meds"????? You mean to tell me at this point she was not thinking too much of herself ? come on ....... Did read her update? , she is confirming this but only now she has an understanding of what LPN's deal with on the floor and appreciate it in her own words "Thank you all so much for your kind words of encouragement, support, and advice. And to all of the LPN's out there who do their best to care for their 30-45 patients during a shift, I respect the Hell out of you and wish you well! " when she may have had a point being frustrated , i felt she was focused on her BSN title making the mistake of looking down on other health care workers and that what i responded to. all is good i am thinking she has a new mind now about her other fellow nurses who haven't got working on their BSN Yet! a caring nurse will never allow herself to get caught up in title

I was born to be a Nurse that is why my language barrier never come in between while in the schooling process . nursing is my Passion . I have it in my heart.... love , care , compassion that always been my motivation in becoming a nurse . Remember i never said her frustration had no base . being a nurse i know she got a point . It is the way she went about it in her various quote , i felt she spoke bilittering others health care workers who happened to be in the same field as her . Now that was the reason of my diatribe ......as for the rest i understand and rendez-vous when i am in my BSN program . take care .

Let clarify something when RN's in clinical rotation are put to work with LPN's it not so that the RN could learn from the LPN but for the RN to get comfortable in her new supervising position observing the LPN ,verifying that she does things correctly. You may not like spending your days and hrs shadowing a lower level nurse but it is what it is and it is part of your learning process into your new duty role. I don't even know why i am explaining this because clearly if doing so was not part of the curriculum why would your instructors assigned you to that in the first place??? I know one RN BSN who worked as Cna at a LTC , she worked her way up to LPN , than RN and got her BSN . She will come back for her clinical at the same facility . She told me every time it was different because with her new knowledge her thinking ability was also upgraded , she was watching the nurses not as to learn from them but this time to verify and test her own knowledge vs what the lower level nurse was doing while training herself to teach and supervise base on whatever mistakes or lacks she would observed during her assignment period. So you don't need to be unhappy about it when or if it happens, just know your objectives going in there and you will have fun.