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My brother used his. Many schools (esp private) arent yellow ribbon or only match a small amount. You need to talk to the VA rep and financial aid dept with whatever school you get into. Apply for FAFSA as per usual For my NP Program I used my GI bill, the VA has handy calc for each school to estimate cost

Go to an in-person school, reduce your hours and immerse yourself in your future career. It's absolutely ridiculous that NP programs push out providers from all online schools who continue to work full-time. Really speaks to the rigor of the education...

See I am just not. This have-it-your-way sort of education style speaks volumes about the education quality. Yes, it's 2023 and a lot of classes can be done online, but when comparing NP education to my brother's CRNA program (he had to move from the West to East Coast and uproot his life) it's not even close. I think we all would agree that an online and pick-your-own-preceptor CRNA school would be horrifying. However, NPs make life-altering decisions too and patients should not be subjected to providers who took the convenient path to a script pad. I don't want someone who just made it work with part-time online schooling and scrounged whatever trash hours they could from friends and acquaintances to graduate, treat me. Not everyone was meant to be a provider but the nursing powers are going to do their best to make it happen.

Anytime someone speaks out against things like this they get accused of being pessimistic, too negative or even gatekeeping. Not EVERYONE was meant to be a provider. With 90% acceptance rates even at big-name schools with little to no clinical oversight (and ridiculous hand-waving clinical experiences) as you describe, it makes us look pathetic. People will defend their shoddy education till the end because how else could a single parent working full time and unable to move complete their clinical doctorate right? They all deserve to be a provider right? By any means necessary. Name ONE medical or medical adjacent profession which acts as NP diploma mills do.

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Frontier is a well-known program. Keep in mind you will likely need to find your own clinicals for most online programs. Whereabouts in CHI?

No, this is a grievous error on all counts that shows she doesn't have the capabilities to safely practice. Also, after all of this, why would you want to in all honesty?

From the information you provided, no. I would switch floors or look into travel nursing gigs (tons of resources out there).

I hope they train you well, being a hospitalist has an extremely high learning curve. Each hospital tailors their APP's independence at various levels. Being a nocturnist could mean doing admission,s pager calls or rapid responses. They might hand you softballs or not. At my place we functioned at the highest level of our license and did exactly what MDs did, but we also were ALL residency trained. The salary is okay, I started a decent amount above that, but as I said I did a fellowship. When compared with RN salaries nowadays, NPs salaries are pretty terrible. CRNA salaries are often double a NPs salary too.

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Generally, there is a service obligation incurred. We had to pay back part of our salary if we didn't stay after residency for a certain time period. Residents are getting trained, paid and can leave to make 300k+ right after LOL Man, I wish it was lighter. We were doing 80+ hour weeks with the residents plus didactics. We didn't bill for 3/4 of the year, the attending did after their addendum.

I don't think that will likely happen. Either GME money would have to skyrocket or residency allotments would get slashed. They would also have to bill and not just have their attendings do it with the identifier.

That's what bothers me, its entitlement and hubris. Obviously, you aren't in the life position to take on such an undertaking, but you'll find a way to shoehorn getting that "white coat" by any means necessary. Do you think med students love to move across the country and drop their lives to study? Do you think they like they putting everything on hold to sink 8+ years into forging themselves as a provider? Yeah, I am sure your 1 class part-time, all online, 500 hour program with 100% acceptance rate is jUst aS goDd.

1. Offer online only curriculum with no (maybe 1 ) campus visits 2. Have ridiculously low admissions standards 3. Accept as many students as possible 4. Lazyily use discussion boards, reused lectures and YouTube videos as "teaching" materials 5. Make students find their own preceptors and essentially facilitate their own education 6. Reinforce the bare minimum clinical hours because RN experience is jUSt aS gOoD 7. Profit????

University of C is a well-known school in general, but they have been known as an easy-entry, low rent online NP school for while. Top online NP Program based on what? You have to look at more than the surface level. FNPs can see kids. Do you want to see kids? Do you really think 500 clinical hours (more like 150 in peds) and 1-2 classes qualify you to treat kids at any significant level? It's a joke every other health profession gets assigned preceptors except NPs and yes it does become a nightmare. A MD may give you the green when you knock on his door but the clinic could say no. Sometimes they already have too many students (med schools nearby) and often they don't want to. Think about it, you are PAYING for school. The school's education is pre-recorded/reused and low quality lectures and a discussion board. Then you have to find your clinical experiences (which may be poor quality). What are they doing for you again? If you must do NP, do UNC People of course are going to defend their online or NP experience in general, but that's what we all CONFIRMATION BIAS

My brother is in a CRNA program where the average age is 24-26. He is the old man at 30. Most have under 2 years of experience. This is a top 25% program as well.

I have to throw in my anecdote of precepting. ACNP programs generally ALL require experience (1-2 years). I found my 2nd profession students with the bare minimum nursing experience were by FAR my best students. The nurses with 8-10 years+ experience generally performed the least well.

Because I think nursing experience is irrelevant to making a good provider? The current system only requires a BSN and 1-2 years of nursing experience and is producing subpar graduates, full stop. Adding more nursing experience or even making it a requirement does not make a NP candidate better. I respect results and competency, not entitlement.

I was actually the opposite of that (as opposed to my coworkers who were on autopilot), I looked up everything if I didn't know it. But in the end and compared to what I know now, it was superficial. You are just rambling at this point without any sort of meaningful counter to what I said. Pray tell, is nursing experience definitively improving the quality of NP candidates and programs?

Ah yes, the personal snipes now. Irrelevant but okay. I have had multiple STEM/humanities careers/degrees and am currently transitioning out of my current role to do something else. Nursing wasn't what I thought it was, but its PR department is on point. I will give them that.

I am okay with that, it is clear nursing experience isn't doing what it supposedly should. To me and anyone not emotionally attached to the nursing title, it is obvious.

It's pretty self-explanatory. People who come from analytical careers (engineers, other science careers) or highly socially adept or organized ones (military, business/management/supply chain). Literally anything besides the tried and failed "nursing experience" model. 10 years of experience and dealing with 100s of NPs at this point tells me it doesn't matter. Great, you half-a** an assessment on a med surg floor for 2 years while autopilot scanning meds or worked in a nursing clinic taking vitals and "assisting". Yeah, that's totally going to make you a good provider. I was an ICU nurse for nearly my entire career (>5 years) and it didn't make a difference. At best I only had a superficial understanding of anything. Maybe it's been decades since you worked the floors. It wasn't that long for me. I also work daily rounding with nurses. I see what they do and know. Rarely am I impressed to think, WOW this person would make a great provider. Sorry, I can see past the gatekeeping BS of nursing "experience".

As long as the programs are majority online with 0 admission standards and no preceptor oversight, the programs are going to be substandard. I am actually a fan of online learning but the NP model/construct is horrible. I think there was a govt funded "NP residency" program a year or so ago similar to GME funding. Not sure where that went. RN experience IMO doesn't matter, life experience and general intelligence/critical thinking do. The specialties are w/e, who can be a specialist with 500 hours? The only way to fix this is to tighten admission standards so schools can't admit everyone and expect the student to facilitate their own education. Also we NEED more residencies/fellowship and incentives for hospitals and clinics to form them.

Because NPs schools across the board are subpar. So no I won't have a 23 -24-year-old with 500 hours of clinical experience prescribe me life-altering medications. Sounds like we need more psychiatry residencies. I don't really understand why you don't just pursue or PhD in psych (from an oncampus/reputable program) and treat people that way.