Problem Students

The vast majority of nursing students are respectful and professional people who are motivated to learn, do their best to care for their assigned patients, and are a joy to teach. Occasionally, however, there is the student from Hades who consumes a disproportionate amount of an instructor's time and energy. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Problem Students

Melissa was the type of student that educators dread. She did not take responsibility for her choices, always had an excuse for her inappropriate actions, was manipulative, dramatic, and histrionic, and sincerely believed that the clearly-stated rules should apply to everyone but her. It didn't take long for a troubling pattern of behavior to surface.

On the first day of clinical orientation, Melissa was a "no show." She claimed she never received the e-mail memo detailing the instructions for the first clinical day. On the second day of clinical, she was 10 minutes late to the clinical site and "forgot" to remove her nose stud jewelry. During the third clinical day, Melissa was found texting on her smart phone, rather than taking care of her assigned patient. When quizzed by the instructor at the medication cart later that day, Melissa was unable to give the safe dosages, reasons, possible side effects, and precautions for her assigned patient's medications. Fed up, the instructor sent the wayward student home. To make matters worse, her clinical paperwork was shoddy in quality and often turned in late. By the fourth clinical day, Melissa had been suspended from the nursing program for numerous violations of school policy.

Clearly, Melissa did not put forth the necessary effort to learn, nor did she conform to the rules of the program. The sad result was an enormous waste of taxpayer money and inefficient use of scarce educational resources. Her seat in the nursing program and the opportunity for a marvelous career and brighter future, which another applicant could have used, was squandered. Melissa's disruptive behavior deprived the other students in the clinical group of positive learning experiences. Even worse, her lack of preparation and lackadaisical attitude made her unsafe to care for vulnerable patients on the unit. Melissa was ultimately dismissed from the nursing program, but only after a long arduous appeals process during which she tearfully accused the instructor of being "mean," "a terrible teacher," and "always picking on me."

Dealing with manipulative, careless, and recalcitrant students like Melissa can be wearisome and demoralizing, especially for a novice instructor.

What, then, is the best way to handle "problem" behavior in students?

  • First and foremost, KNOW your nursing program's policies and procedures. Then, carefully and consistently FOLLOW them.
  • Make sure all expectations are clearly communicated to the students in writing. The syllabus is the official contract between the educator and individuals enrolled in the course. Expectations for learners, along with consequences for unacceptable behavior, need to be meticulously spelled out. There should be a clause in the syllabus to remind students that they are responsible to follow the guidelines in the Student Handbook, including requirements for patient care and stipulations for professional behavior on the clinical floor.
  • Be proactive and not reactive. Deal with objectionable behavior early on ("nip it in the bud"), rather than simply ignoring it. Problematic behavior, if left unattended, only tends to get worse, and it can spread to others in the group. On the other hand, if such behavior is addressed early, it sometimes can be successfully remediated.
  • Patient safety is paramount and should never be compromised. If a student is unprepared or careless, then immediately remove the student from the clinical area.
  • Take care to only address the specific behavior and explain why it is unacceptable; never attack the person. Stay on target and do not digress into irrelevant matters. Never devalue, demean, or threaten the individual or use derogatory terms. Instead, calmly and factually spell out the consequences of the student's problematic behavior, should such behavior persist.
  • Discuss strategies the student could use to be successful. At the same time, emphasize that the student, as an adult learner, is ultimately responsible for his or her own learning and this requires total commitment on his or her part. No one can do the learning for the student. This emphasis on personal accountability flies in the face of the "victim" mentality so prevalent in contemporary society.
  • Always be objective, calm, and consistent. Do not allow emotions to cloud your judgment.
  • Model professional behavior at all times and cultivate an atmosphere of mutual respect.
  • Avoid favoritism at all costs. What applies to one student should apply to all students.
  • And last, but certainly not least - document, document, document! Keep a detailed paper trail of your interactions with the student. The paperwork is irrefutable proof of attempts at remediation and retention, as well as student acknowledgment of the disciplinary process. The detailed record will also substantially increase your chances of successfully defending your actions in an appeals process or court of law, should it come to that. Learning contracts are a marvelous tool for this type of documentation. For your convenience, I have attached two learning contract templates that I have used over the years with positive outcomes.

Thankfully, the vast majority of nursing students are respectful and professional people who are motivated to learn, do their best to care for their assigned patients, and are a joy to teach. Occasionally, however, there is that one student from Hades who consumes a disproportionate amount of an instructor's time and energy, is disruptive, and wields considerable negative influence within the clinical group or classroom.

What have been your experiences in dealing with "problem" students such as Melissa? What strategies have you found to be most effective?

Learning Contract.doc

Student Conference Notes.doc

VickyRN, PhD, RN, is a certified nurse educator (NLN) and certified gerontology nurse (ANCC). Her research interests include: the special health and social needs of the vulnerable older adult population; registered nurse staffing and resident outcomes in intermediate care nursing facilities; and, innovations in avoiding institutionalization of frail elderly clients by providing long-term care services and supports in the community. She is a Professor in a large baccalaureate nursing program in North Carolina.

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The first paragraph sounded like a true description of many licensed nurses I have met on the job.

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
The first paragraph sounded like a true description of many licensed nurses I have met on the job.

Excellent point. The way students conduct themselves in clinical is a clear predictor of the way they will conduct themselves as new graduate nurses. If they are consistently late for clinical and their assigned paperwork is sloppy with little attention to thought or detail, then this is the behavior that they will later mirror as employees in the clinical setting: Undependable, unreliable, unprofessional, with poor documentation skills.

We had one of those ..I call them "problem children" in my class.

There was excuses for everything...she didn't listen and would always come in the middle of a conversation with "What? what? What?" and then turn it into a "all about me" fest.

Late, absent and unprepared...yup. yup. yup.

These students also take a toll on the morale of the rest of the group. We get tired of hearing about their home problems (which are almost always self created chaos), family drama and personal financial issues. It is draining.

I don't like being a tattle...but when little susie Q is manipulating her way into taking extra days off from clinicals because she's sick (then comes back tan and talking about the beach). Is hiding in the break room for hours at a time rather than working with her assigned patients and having to run out to her car everyday because she 'forgot something' and comes back reeking of cigarette smoke.... well something HAS to be said.

I got called out for talking to our program director about her...I was told I need to mind my business and let it go. OK.

But susie got 2 more full day absences than the rest of us would have been allowed. Used her home drama to manipulate the extra time off... made us ALL look bad by her actions at clinical...and yet I'm the bad guy?!

While it isn't my business...preferential treatment of one student IS my business. If my instructor isn't aware of this situation she needed to be and to be notified that we, as a group noticed as well and found it to be unfair to the rest of us who were where we were supposed to be when we were supposed to be...and DOING what we should be doing.

Problem children make your program as a whole look bad. It is a poor reflection on every student. I really believe that these people have no business in healthcare....what you do in clinicals is what you will do at work.... very telling in a problem child.

These are people who usually wouldn't get past a personal interview process rather than a score only based enterance policy. I'm all for personal interviews and a committee type board for acceptance.

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
While it isn't my business...preferential treatment of one student IS my business. If my instructor isn't aware of this situation she needed to be and to be notified that we, as a group noticed as well and found it to be unfair to the rest of us who were where we were supposed to be when we were supposed to be...and DOING what we should be doing.

Problem children make your program as a whole look bad. It is a poor reflection on every student. I really believe that these people have no business in healthcare....what you do in clinicals is what you will do at work.... very telling in a problem child.

These are people who usually wouldn't get past a personal interview process rather than a score only based enterance policy. I'm all for personal interviews and a committee type board for acceptance.

Very true! Sorry that you were called on the carpet for tattling on the slacker student, rather than commended (like you should have been) for reporting unethical behavior. And if your instructor did not thank you, let me take the time to thank you for alerting your instructor to a potentially dangerous patient-care situation in your clinical group. :nurse:

Specializes in ICU, Telemetry.

If they pass the nursing program and the boards, they are the most dangerous nurse on the floor. These are the nurses we all know, the ones that we think, "OMG, if I'm ever a patient, please don't let him/her be my nurse." The ones that routinely make med errors and try to blame it on someone else, the people who don't turn their patients, who's patients always manage to get septic. The ones that we all secretly think has probably managed to harm or kill a patient thru sheer stupidity, but we can't prove it enough to report it. They usually manage to kiss up to someone in admin, become the boss's snitch, get some kind of protected position while everyone else on shift with them lives in fear of their license, just by being in close proximity.

And unfortunately, I think there are a lot of them out there.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

I can't believe students like this are even allowed to get through nursing programs these days. In my day (not even two decades ago!!) a student like "Melissa" wouldn't have lasted a foggy night---our program would've booted her after the first two weeks of clinicals if her behavior had even approximated that described in the OP. Our instructors were strict, but they made their expectations and the consequences for any violations crystal clear from the get-go, so there was no excuse for "forgetting", no room for "Oh, I didn't know that". If you came to clinical unprepared in any way, you got sent home and no credit was given for the day; there were only two make-up days per term, so if you missed more than two clinicals you were out of the program and had to reapply for the following year. I remember one girl who just couldn't manage the pre-clinical prep work; she never made it out of the first term.

Another student---at only 19, the youngest in the program---did well the first year, then fell apart in the middle of winter term of our second year and started coming to clinicals late and in unapproved clothing; the faculty did their best to work with her and put her on a performance agreement, but she simply couldn't get her life back under control and failed out at the beginning of our final term. It was like losing the race with the finish line in sight, but infinitely better for all concerned, as she returned the next year and came out a much stronger nurse for it. Most of our class attended her graduation and cheered her on, too, because her triumph was, in a way, a second victory for all of us who had made it through this tough program.

Call me old-fashioned, but "the way it used to be" wasn't necessarily wrong just because it seemingly lacked compassion. It was, in fact, GREAT preparation for the world of nursing, which IMO is far less understanding of nurses with "issues". The faculty merely assumed that if you were motivated enough to get into the nursing program in the first place, you were a responsible adult learner who did not need coddling, reminders, or instructors too afraid of hurting your feelings to call a spade a spade when you weren't performing up to standards. End of story. And I'm sorry if it's harsh, but I think that's how nursing programs should be everywhere. This is a tough job with tougher demands.....it is NOT a job for Whiny Wendys who p!$$ and moan about 'mean' teachers and 'unreasonable' expectations.

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
I can't believe students like this are even allowed to get through nursing programs these days. In my day (not even two decades ago!!) a student like "Melissa" wouldn't have lasted a foggy night---our program would've booted her after the first two weeks of clinicals if her behavior had even approximated that described in the OP. Our instructors were strict, but they made their expectations and the consequences for any violations crystal clear from the get-go, so there was no excuse for "forgetting", no room for "Oh, I didn't know that". If you came to clinical unprepared in any way, you got sent home and no credit was given for the day;

Fortunately, the "Melissa's" are rare, but when they do appear, we have to follow certain detailed procedures and make sure we cross every "t" and dot every "i," especially in today's hyper-litigious climate. It is similar to the disciplinary process for poorly-performing employees at a job - you can't just fire them from point "A" because you dislike their performance. You have to give the verbal warnings and then the write-ups, set in motion a plan for remediation and retention, and if the problem behaviors persist after all that, then "fire" them at point "Z." It's a long, drawn-out process with lots of documentation along the way.

To further complicate matters, most students appeal getting kicked out of the program and one can never predict which way the appeal will finally go. I have seen students reinstated on the whim of the appeals committee after truly reprehensible conduct, such as being caught red-handed cheating on an exam.

Specializes in Cardiac Nursing.

What about students who fight the instructor for every little point on a test because one question, to them, was hard to understand or had more than one right answer. They moan and whine all the way up to the administrator if they didn't get all the points they felt they deserved because "darn it, I'm paying too much money to be allowed to fail over three or four points...or ten". It always burned me that after every single exam, including the HESI people would fight over questions. Why would anyone ever want to be an instructor in an environment like that?

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
What about students who fight the instructor for every little point on a test because one question, to them, was hard to understand or had more than one right answer. They moan and whine all the way up to the administrator if they didn't get all the points they felt they deserved because "darn it, I'm paying too much money to be allowed to fail over three or four points...or ten". It always burned me that after every single exam, including the HESI people would fight over questions. Why would anyone ever want to be an instructor in an environment like that?

Oh, the joys of test reviews :uhoh3: The test review process doesn't have to be so chaotic or antagonistic, and can actually aid the students' learning and critical thinking processes, if carried out in an orderly manner, with clear stipulations for student behavior during the review. But this is the subject of another blog :idea:

Specializes in Pediatrics.
The first paragraph sounded like a true description of many licensed nurses I have met on the job.

Almost too fabricated, right? But those who have had students like this can actually believe it!

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
Almost too fabricated, right? But those who have had students like this can actually believe it!

Amen! Of course "Melissa" isn't real, but she is a compilation of a few (thankfully very few) problematic students I've had over the past 8 years in my exciting role as a nurse educator.

You can't make some of this stuff up. Truth is stranger than fiction any day :eek:.