Problem Students

The vast majority of nursing students are respectful and professional people who are motivated to learn, do their best to care for their assigned patients, and are a joy to teach. Occasionally, however, there is the student from Hades who consumes a disproportionate amount of an instructor's time and energy. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Melissa was the type of student that educators dread. She did not take responsibility for her choices, always had an excuse for her inappropriate actions, was manipulative, dramatic, and histrionic, and sincerely believed that the clearly-stated rules should apply to everyone but her. It didn't take long for a troubling pattern of behavior to surface.

On the first day of clinical orientation, Melissa was a "no show." She claimed she never received the e-mail memo detailing the instructions for the first clinical day. On the second day of clinical, she was 10 minutes late to the clinical site and "forgot" to remove her nose stud jewelry. During the third clinical day, Melissa was found texting on her smart phone, rather than taking care of her assigned patient. When quizzed by the instructor at the medication cart later that day, Melissa was unable to give the safe dosages, reasons, possible side effects, and precautions for her assigned patient's medications. Fed up, the instructor sent the wayward student home. To make matters worse, her clinical paperwork was shoddy in quality and often turned in late. By the fourth clinical day, Melissa had been suspended from the nursing program for numerous violations of school policy.

Clearly, Melissa did not put forth the necessary effort to learn, nor did she conform to the rules of the program. The sad result was an enormous waste of taxpayer money and inefficient use of scarce educational resources. Her seat in the nursing program and the opportunity for a marvelous career and brighter future, which another applicant could have used, was squandered. Melissa's disruptive behavior deprived the other students in the clinical group of positive learning experiences. Even worse, her lack of preparation and lackadaisical attitude made her unsafe to care for vulnerable patients on the unit. Melissa was ultimately dismissed from the nursing program, but only after a long arduous appeals process during which she tearfully accused the instructor of being "mean," "a terrible teacher," and "always picking on me."

Dealing with manipulative, careless, and recalcitrant students like Melissa can be wearisome and demoralizing, especially for a novice instructor.

What, then, is the best way to handle "problem" behavior in students?

  • First and foremost, KNOW your nursing program's policies and procedures. Then, carefully and consistently FOLLOW them.
  • Make sure all expectations are clearly communicated to the students in writing. The syllabus is the official contract between the educator and individuals enrolled in the course. Expectations for learners, along with consequences for unacceptable behavior, need to be meticulously spelled out. There should be a clause in the syllabus to remind students that they are responsible to follow the guidelines in the Student Handbook, including requirements for patient care and stipulations for professional behavior on the clinical floor.
  • Be proactive and not reactive. Deal with objectionable behavior early on ("nip it in the bud"), rather than simply ignoring it. Problematic behavior, if left unattended, only tends to get worse, and it can spread to others in the group. On the other hand, if such behavior is addressed early, it sometimes can be successfully remediated.
  • Patient safety is paramount and should never be compromised. If a student is unprepared or careless, then immediately remove the student from the clinical area.
  • Take care to only address the specific behavior and explain why it is unacceptable; never attack the person. Stay on target and do not digress into irrelevant matters. Never devalue, demean, or threaten the individual or use derogatory terms. Instead, calmly and factually spell out the consequences of the student's problematic behavior, should such behavior persist.
  • Discuss strategies the student could use to be successful. At the same time, emphasize that the student, as an adult learner, is ultimately responsible for his or her own learning and this requires total commitment on his or her part. No one can do the learning for the student. This emphasis on personal accountability flies in the face of the "victim" mentality so prevalent in contemporary society.
  • Always be objective, calm, and consistent. Do not allow emotions to cloud your judgment.
  • Model professional behavior at all times and cultivate an atmosphere of mutual respect.
  • Avoid favoritism at all costs. What applies to one student should apply to all students.
  • And last, but certainly not least - document, document, document! Keep a detailed paper trail of your interactions with the student. The paperwork is irrefutable proof of attempts at remediation and retention, as well as student acknowledgment of the disciplinary process. The detailed record will also substantially increase your chances of successfully defending your actions in an appeals process or court of law, should it come to that. Learning contracts are a marvelous tool for this type of documentation. For your convenience, I have attached two learning contract templates that I have used over the years with positive outcomes.

Thankfully, the vast majority of nursing students are respectful and professional people who are motivated to learn, do their best to care for their assigned patients, and are a joy to teach. Occasionally, however, there is that one student from Hades who consumes a disproportionate amount of an instructor's time and energy, is disruptive, and wields considerable negative influence within the clinical group or classroom.

What have been your experiences in dealing with "problem" students such as Melissa? What strategies have you found to be most effective?

Learning Contract.doc

Student Conference Notes.doc

They're not novices, they've both been teaching for 35+ years. The thing is, we had several fail first semester but since then, there are always points magically "found" for the failing students.

They also did this thing where we took our tests, then got in groups and RETOOK the tests and basically, those of us with good grades had our grades averaged into the failing grades. Once, that I know of, a person's grade went up by a whopping 18 points. That is just not right.

It's not that I want anyone to fail, I don't, but when things like this are happening, it seems as if passing on your own means nothing.

Specializes in Hospice / Ambulatory Clinic.
Do you really think she's going to pass NCLEX?

You get a lot of time to study and a lot of chances to pass the NCLEX so I think yeah. All the students that scraped and pleaded by all passed the NCLEX eventually.

THIS is why they have those HESI tests that you have to pass or you don't graduate. Because teachers get pressured into not grading the way they should. At my school they had a cumulative HESI that you had to pass or you couldn't sit the boards. If you passed the first time you got rewarded with having your NCLEX, license and IV certification paid for. They provided a NCLEX review course which we took before the HESI and it was available to retake later if you wanted. You had 3 chances to pass and if you failed 3 times you had to stay in school for another month of intensive studying. Then you got 1 more chance after that it was game over.

I know students don't think its fair that they implement those pass this test or else you don't graduate but this thread is reason why.

Specializes in caregiver to paraplegic for 2 years.

Former problem student that worked very hard.... I was a problem student, but still worked very hard to overcome obstacles. I was lucky to have instructors and the DON recognize that I was sincerely trying. I developed Pneumonia while in the program and had to take a leave of absence. I will never forget the class I was re-assigned to. 1/3 of the class were mean spirited bullys. I remember thinking, these women want to be nurses??? Throughout the last few months they would verbably say, I better not get no obese patients, I'll tell their fat-asses to lose weight.... My being obese and fighting depression made me a center for their jokes... but I tried to stay focus and ignore them. There were a few students in the class that encouraged me not to give up... I am forever grateful to them. I may not have finished at the top of my class, but I graduated and and studying very hard for my NCLEX. My D.O.N. was really there for me and her encouraging words have kept me going. So if someone maybe having alot of issues, but you can see that they arent making excuses, that they are working hard... there is a reason why. We never know what people have gon through to get to where they are. I have always wanted to be a nurse, now at 44 I am obtaining my dream. I love caring for people and am excited to finally be almost there.... Problem students and mean students will always be there.... but the question is... What kind of nurse will they be? I am going to be the kind of nurse that will make my family, my school and those who know me proud to say, She is a what a Nurse is supposed to be.

Specializes in Pediatrics.
You get a lot of time to study and a lot of chances to pass the NCLEX so I think yeah. All the students that scraped and pleaded by all passed the NCLEX eventually.

THIS is why they have those HESI tests that you have to pass or you don't graduate. Because teachers get pressured into not grading the way they should. At my school they had a cumulative HESI that you had to pass or you couldn't sit the boards. If you passed the first time you got rewarded with having your NCLEX, license and IV certification paid for. They provided a NCLEX review course which we took before the HESI and it was available to retake later if you wanted. You had 3 chances to pass and if you failed 3 times you had to stay in school for another month of intensive studying. Then you got 1 more chance after that it was game over.

I know students don't think its fair that they implement those pass this test or else you don't graduate but this thread is reason why.

You're preaching to the choir about the exit exams. I was not a huge fan at first; but I absolutely see their value now.

I'm also a believer in things happening for a reason. For the ones who are failing by a point, and that point is "found", it should serve as a "wake up call". They may get by one class, but often times, they do not make it through all of the subsequent classes (on the first try), or through the exit exams, or through NCLEX. It always catches up to them.

Specializes in Hospice / Ambulatory Clinic.

The tests are only unfair if you fail.

Specializes in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds.
Former problem student that worked very hard.... I was a problem student, but still worked very hard to overcome obstacles. I was lucky to have instructors and the DON recognize that I was sincerely trying. I developed Pneumonia while in the program and had to take a leave of absence. I will never forget the class I was re-assigned to. 1/3 of the class were mean spirited bullys. I remember thinking, these women want to be nurses??? Throughout the last few months they would verbably say, I better not get no obese patients, I'll tell their fat-asses to lose weight.... My being obese and fighting depression made me a center for their jokes... but I tried to stay focus and ignore them. There were a few students in the class that encouraged me not to give up... I am forever grateful to them. I may not have finished at the top of my class, but I graduated and and studying very hard for my NCLEX. My D.O.N. was really there for me and her encouraging words have kept me going. So if someone maybe having alot of issues, but you can see that they arent making excuses, that they are working hard... there is a reason why. We never know what people have gon through to get to where they are. I have always wanted to be a nurse, now at 44 I am obtaining my dream. I love caring for people and am excited to finally be almost there.... Problem students and mean students will always be there.... but the question is... What kind of nurse will they be? I am going to be the kind of nurse that will make my family, my school and those who know me proud to say, She is a what a Nurse is supposed to be.

You are clearly no "Melissa" - no, not even close.

You want to succeed, have put in great effort in doing so, and have a passion for nursing. "Melissa" couldn't have cared less as she made little effort to succeed. "Melissa" also had no heart for patient care and her care was unsafe.

Congratulations on getting to the finish line despite all the obstacles in your way. Best wishes to you for a wonderful career in nursing :)

Specializes in OB (with a history of cardiac).

Mmmm, yep. When I was in school to be an LPN we had some of those students in the program. I think they thought that the jump from CNA to LPN would be a breeze, and that since they were CNA's, that's practically an LPN- not so!

When I worked as an LPN in clinic I had mostly great students, I did have one who decided to give herself a half day and basically fed me this story about how the circ she was allowed to stand in on was just too hard to watch and how apparently the pediatrician didn't know what she was doing because "that baby bled a lot!" Well, I could have bought the story that it was kinda hard to see that- it is if you're not used to it...but the thing is, honey, you told (I was on my lunch break at the time) you told all the other nurses and CMA's back at the nurses station that it was only a half day and you were going home, healthy and hale. I asked a few of the other folks who were there, and they said she looked just fine- not woozy or pale or anything. BUT SAP THAT I AM, I didn't say anything to her instructors. Since she was from the same program I had come from I know that if I did, her sorry fanny would be right out the door, and in all fairness, the students I had the couple of weeks prior to her warned me about her- bad attitude, know it all attitude, enjoyed challenging the instructors over pithy things.

I know in that particular program, there were a lot of students who were foreign, and I guess I don't mean to be insensitive, but they were the ones who tended to make the biggest stink about things. One of my clinical instructors told me (later when I was an RN and helping to test out on skills) that they ended up having to assign seats for tests and separate the class into different rooms because the instructor caught a whole group cheating. Well, this group of students who all sat together raised holy heck because it was "part of their culture to share" and because the questions and content were not worded in a way they could understand because they were ESL, and it was all discrimination. Uh huh. Well in my RN program we had a lot of ESL students too- and not once did anyone whine about a poor grade because their culture or language was being disrespected.

Now, to be fair, I will go back a minute to my LPN program. There were some very VERY harsh instructors. Now I understand why some of them were hard (lazy students, liar students, cheating students etc...I witnessed it) but there's a difference between hard and sadistic. There was one instructor that either liked you or didn't like you, and if she didn't like you- well...the students she decided she didn't like somehow just didn't make it through clinical. There was an instance where during the very last clinical they failed a girl for being late with a med pass- she had 20 minutes to pass this med- well, I have it on reputable authority that she was late because the instructor stood there and harassed her because she wasn't pronouncing the med correctly. This girl was from Ethiopia, and I know what I said before about playing the language/culture card, but I knew this girl pretty well, and she was darn bright- good grades, punctual, great attitude...and she was failed because the instructor wouldn't let the pronunciation thing go. I also had an instructor personally, my first clinical in that program who expected us to read her mind as to what we were supposed to do. She would intentionally intimidate students, make them an example or the butt of the joke in front of the clinical facility staff, and I recall ambulating a patient to the bathroom, and the instructor was in a room with another student and her patient and cheerfully called out to my patient "now remember *Edna*, if you fall, she fails!" Later this instructor would fail a girl for dropping a bottle of insulin. She was fired from the program a year later.

This is of interest to me because I've often thought of being an instructor some day. I love teaching- and I'm pretty soft, so I think I have a lot to learn from the hard instructors, and from "melissas" .

Specializes in Pediatrics.

this is of interest to me because i've often thought of being an instructor some day. i love teaching- and i'm pretty soft, so i think i have a lot to learn from the hard instructors, and from "melissas" .

you are sooo right. being a soft instructor gets you nowhere. i am proof positive of that. over the years, i have had no choice but to toughen it up; if i do not set firm limits, i get walked on. and since you can't change the rules (depending on the student), even the 'good' ones have to suffer the wrath of the witch instructor. sometimes i absolutely hate the person i have to be in the classroom, especially when it comes to testing, and classroom 'rules'. with testing, the 'no talking', 'pencils down' and all the other elementary school things i find myself saying drive me nuts. and i truly feel bad for the ones who sit there patiently, follow the rules, and are there to learn.

On the other hand, i had an instructor who lied constantly about actions students took. This was not a problem with one person, but a pattern repeated across students and clinical groups. She sent students home for things that never occured, could not have occured, or simply because she wanted to make a point about something unrelated (asserting authority). Ofcourse, you only have my word that this creton exists and is in the business of nursing education.

While you discuss how tough you all are and get all pumped up with tough nursing spirit compairing the size of your....toughness, please remember that education is a two way street.

On the other hand, i had an instructor who lied constantly about actions students took. This was not a problem with one person, but a pattern repeated across students and clinical groups. She sent students home for things that never occured, could not have occured, or simply because she wanted to make a point about something unrelated (asserting authority). Ofcourse, you only have my word that this creton exists and is in the business of nursing education.

While you discuss how tough you all are and get all pumped up with tough nursing spirit compairing the size of your....toughness, please remember that education is a two way street.

Ah yes. I also had an instructor who lied. All the time.

I just completed by CNA program. Texas State Exam is Dec 3. We have one of these in our class! Always late or does not show up. She is rude and stares at all the other students. Last week she went as far as to say she "wanted to scratch the eyes out of the people she did not like" in our group photo. Tomorrow is the end of the program party. I am valedictorian and I am not sure I will take her attitude is she acts like a fool tomorrow. People who want to distract, cause drama, and take away from those who genuinely want to learn and better themselves should be ashamed!

I love this....I know how they are, I have a few in my class and they funny thing is, is that they have the book smarts to pass a test and graduate!!!