President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney said:

Derp...why would Ukraine leave their air defense sirens silenced when the US president is visiting? They DO silence them at other times for the citizens who live and work there as their defenses are pretty effective. But to assume that they wouldn't have ALL tools active and available during such a high profile and important visit is silly. 

Sometimes thinking a thing through before regurgitating simplistic criticism is wise.  

You said the sirens go off all the time from your supposed extended family in Kiev.  Well apparently a CNN reporter who actually is there said they have not gone off for at least a week.  Plus the Soviet's were notified of Biden's visit.  So your supposed extended family is either lying or they do not exist.  I'm sure it's the latter.  

Roitrn said:

The trial has not started yet. You are welcome to come to your personal conclusions. 

I will wait until all the evidence is submitted and there is a judgment before I come to a personal  conclusion. 

Correct.  In my judgement, when a person's own words indicate that they KNOW that they are feeding their audience lies and the lies are INTENDED to create a false narrative then that person is a propagandist. When the media company that published that liars programming shows in their own leadership words that they knew the lies were lies but that they were motivated by profit and market share, the media company is engaged in propaganda and not to be trusted. 

MaybeeRN said:

You said the sirens go off all the time from your supposed extended family in Kiev.  Well apparently a CNN reporter who actually is there said they have not gone off for at least a week.  Plus the Soviet's were notified of Biden's visit.  So your supposed extended family is either lying or they do not exist.  I'm sure it's the latter.  

Yes, that's correct ... and the people get siren fatigue so they silence them.  

You can believe what you prefer, obviously.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Correct.  In my judgement, when a person's own words indicate that they KNOW that they are feeding their audience lies and the lies are INTENDED to create a false narrative then that person is a propagandist. When the media company that published that liars programming shows in their own leadership words that they knew the lies were lies but that they were motivated by profit and market share, the media company is engaged in propaganda and not to be trusted. 

Yes, that's correct ... and the people get siren fatigue so they silence them.  

You can believe what you prefer, obviously.  

You can lie if you want to.  No one cares we're use to it.

subee said:

By your logic:  It hasn't snowed here for a week, therefore there will be no more snow unless Biden arranges with CNN for a photo op.

Your analogy is flawed as usual.  

MaybeeRN said:

You can lie if you want to.  No one cares we're use to it.

I'm unsure where ypur evidence is that they lied to enhance their profit share? That seems like something to be decided in the court case that has not started yet. 

I heard the same as you did. However if it fits your previous description of "largest media conspiracy in modern history"  a few communications between people is not evidence of this. 

Roitrn said:

I'm unsure where ypur evidence is that they lied to enhance their profit share? That seems like something to be decided in the court case that has not started yet. 

I heard the same as you did. However if it fits your previous description of "largest media conspiracy in modern history"  a few communications between people is not evidence of this. 

They (Fox personalities and execs) spoke about market share and stock prices relative to the election lies in their communications. Did you read any of the communications or the article that said that this could well be a summary judgment case because of the evidence?

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A significant majority of Americans say they believe President Biden's mental fitness is a real concern they have about his ability to be president, according to the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll. 

Respondents said so by a 62%-to-36% margin, rather than dismissing it as simply being a campaign strategy used by his opponents. Biden did, however, actually see a slight increase in his approval rating to 45%, up 4 points from last month. That indicates there will likely be a significant number of people who believe there are serious concerns about Biden's mental fitness but will vote for him anyway.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177617666/more-than-6-in-10-say-bidens-mental-fitness-to-be-president-is-a-concern-poll-fi

Tweety said:

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177617666/more-than-6-in-10-say-bidens-mental-fitness-to-be-president-is-a-concern-poll-fi

Right wing voices regularly tell the American people that Biden's mental fitness is a concern.  They are effective in this messaging, propaganda works. The leading presidential candidate for the right wing likes to boast about his cognitive test results, apparently too simple minded to even understand why they tested him.  

Nikki Haley said that anyone over the age of 75 should undergo a mental fitness test to be president, making his age part of the campaign.

Biden doesn't do a lot of interviews but those that have sat down with him to talk, don't seem to raise concerns.  

One thing is that we live in an agist society where the common wisdom is that mental capacity declines as we age and it's presumed we are too old to work or engage in other activities.  To some extent it's true.  We aren't as sharp and focused.   I just spent a few days with my 89 year old father and we had some lively conversations that proved to me he's as mentally sharp as ever with a good memory.  My 86 year old mother, not so much.  Biden as President certainly uses his brain enough to help with decline.  Still, over and over he's showed his age.  Personally, I wish that he would have put it all to rest and retired at the end of his first term.  It's too much baggage and every time he stutters, forgets something it's going to be headline news.

Democrats are currently sweeping it under the rug, but it should be part of the conversation.  Biden has said it's legitimate for people to have concerns.  

Tweety said:

Nikki Haley said that anyone over the age of 75 should undergo a mental fitness test to be president, making his age part of the campaign.

Biden doesn't do a lot of interviews but those that have sat down with him to talk, don't seem to raise concerns.  

One thing is that we live in an agist society where the common wisdom is that mental capacity declines as we age and it's presumed we are too old to work or engage in other activities.  To some extent it's true.  We aren't as sharp and focused.   I just spent a few days with my 89 year old father and we had some lively conversations that proved to me he's as mentally sharp as ever with a good memory.  My 86 year old mother, not so much.  Biden as President certainly uses his brain enough to help with decline.  Still, over and over he's showed his age.  Personally, I wish that he would have put it all to rest and retired at the end of his first term.  It's too much baggage and every time he stutters, forgets something it's going to be headline news.

Democrats are currently sweeping it under the rug, but it should be part of the conversation.  Biden has said it's legitimate for people to have concerns.  

 

It's definitely legitimate to assess their cognitive abilities.  The right wing rhetoric about Biden, that gets repeated and polled by the general media, appears to be in conflict with reality.  

IMV, it's a thinly veiled projection from the team that considered the possibility of claiming that their guy was incompetent as he lied about his election loss and tried to seize that lost power by breaking our democratic system. Projection is a go to tool of the GOP right now... it's the entire basis for a couple of House committee efforts.  

nursel56 said:

If you compare and contrast all the press surrounding another prominent Democrat-- Senator Dianne Feinstein (blatant sexism aside) it becomes quite clear, in my opinion anyway-- the difference between something that is probably real and something that is propaganda with regards to cognitive decline.

Since it appears the mainstream media has already dubbed Trump "frontrunner" and "presumptive nominee" with barely a nod toward his increasingly alarming policy comments and contempt for the laws of our country we absolutely should scrutinize all of his bizarre and ignorant statements, videos etc. 

I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter by any stretch, but she nailed it this time

Ann Coulter Slams Trump for Making 'Biden Look Razor Sharp'

 

The Feinstein reference was a good illustration.