Prescribing Narcotics for Pt with Drug Abuse Hx

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I work in a SNF where we recently admitted someone S/P ORIF of the femur for a short term rehab stay. This patient is in their mid 40s and among their very lengthy list of diagnoses there is a history of drug abuse. It's actually listed multiple times t/o their dx list "history of drug abuse. Has been clean for many years", "history of opiate abuse with misuse, overdose, and diversion", and "history of narcotic drug dependency with misuse, overdose, and diversion". They were admitted with orders for MsContin, Oxycodone PRN, and Xanax. Upon admission this patient was rating their pain a "12" on a scale from 1-10! They did not display any nonverbal sx of such pain... Within a few hours of their admission they were adamant that they were supposed to have orders for Lortab PRN along with the other narcotics. Since admission this patient has displayed drug seeking behaviors, demands the max amount of PRN Lortab every 6 hours to the minute (order is for 1-2 q6hr PRN), has attempted to manipulate the nurses into administering it earlier "that other nurse said I could have it every 4-6 hours...), has demanded that a MD is contacted to change the order to q4hr, wants the PRNs scheduled so they can self administer them (which we'd never allow), and yells at the nurses for not bringing their scheduled MsContin in within 10 min of the scheduled time (they got noon dose at 1150 and was upset that they didn't get it sooner)...

Am I wrong for questioning why an MD would order MsContin, Oxycodone, Lortab, and Xanax for a patient with a history of drug abuse/dependency?! Is it appropriate to have it listed on their Dx list that they've "been clean for many years"?

Specializes in NICU, ER, OR.

What would you like the doc to DO, give the PT a stick to bite on every day, and to be humane , a fresh one daily? I mean come on, a broken ( femur? ) you said?

I don't think the original post was judgmental. I think its a legitimate questions if the doctors have posted this note all over the patient's chart. I think I would also question why so many high dose strong narcotics have been ordered for the patient if they didn't try another route. Pain management is a tricky field.

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).

My own history with both addiction and totally botched pain management has led me to several conclusion that I would like to share. You can Google my journey on this pain management forum but I would first ask you read through what I have to say. TO the OP when I read your original post I didn't immediately think you were being that judgmental. If you don't have training in pain management one could easily be concerned unless you know what each of the meds is used for. Also I wasn't concerned about a lack of compassion on your part until you brought up your own family history. Then you projected your own experience and feeling onto the life story of someone else.

I started drinking at about 13 years of age and progressed to drinking alcoholically with just a few years. I am a survivor of childhood abuse and the time I took an alcoholic drink was honestly the first time in my life I felt comfortable in my own skin. Fast forward through 30 some odd years of drinking a few years of sobriety I was facing a host of painful auto-immune diseases that left me debilitated and on Medicaid and Medicare retired to a wheel chair and unable to function.

I had major surgery followed by a post surgical wound infection that took months to heal. My new primary care doctor at the time asked if I liked life in a wheelchair and would I allow her to try to help me. She had a back-ground in pain management and started me on low dose opioids, muscle relaxants and a sleeping pill. My life immediately improved. I got out of that wheel chair. Stared doing physical therapy and all things were looking up until that physician retired about a year ago. Enter the opioid pandemic police and it was all stripped a way. Putting me in in tractable pain . I had to fight to my right for treatment and ultimately one and was returned to the same protocol minus the sleeping pill. I was given a choice to give up the opioid or the sleeper and I choose pain relief. This past year I did something I never thought I'd do again and rode a horse.

Oh there I go getting all wordy and emotional again.

_____________ anyway I'll continue the story If you want me too?

Hppy

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Specializes in retired LTC.

Hppy - Am admiring your advocacy for addiction & substance abuse issues.

Specializes in General Nursing.
On 6/22/2020 at 9:09 PM, hppygr8ful said:

My own history with both addiction and totally botched pain management has led me to several conclusion that I would like to share. You can Google my journey on this pain management forum but I would first ask you read through what I have to say. TO the OP when I read your original post I didn't immediately think you were being that judgmental. If you don't have training in pain management one could easily be concerned unless you know what each of the meds is used for. Also I wasn't concerned about a lack of compassion on your part until you brought up your own family history. Then you projected your own experience and feeling onto the life story of someone else.

I started drinking at about 13 years of age and progressed to drinking alcoholically with just a few years. I am a survivor of childhood abuse and the time I took an alcoholic drink was honestly the first time in my life I felt comfortable in my own skin. Fast forward through 30 some odd years of drinking a few years of sobriety I was facing a host of painful auto-immune diseases that left me debilitated and on Medicaid and Medicare retired to a wheel chair and unable to function.

I had major surgery followed by a post surgical wound infection that took months to heal. My new primary care doctor at the time asked if I liked life in a wheelchair and would I allow her to try to help me. She had a back-ground in pain management and started me on low dose opioids, muscle relaxants and a sleeping pill. My life immediately improved. I got out of that wheel chair. Stared doing physical therapy and all things were looking up until that physician retired about a year ago. Enter the opioid pandemic police and it was all stripped a way. Putting me in in tractable pain . I had to fight to my right for treatment and ultimately one and was returned to the same protocol minus the sleeping pill. I was given a choice to give up the opioid or the sleeper and I choose pain relief. This past year I did something I never thought I'd do again and rode a horse.

Oh there I go getting all wordy and emotional again.

_____________ anyway I'll continue the story If you want me too?

Hppy

I would love for you to continue!

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Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
6 hours ago, Trebug said:

I would love for you to continue!

OK so for the rest of my tale - I never did abuse the opioids and I have been sober from the alcohol for going on 20 years but I learned my lesson about even mentioning that I have a history of addiction to alcohol. The judgement I have received from my fellow nurses has at times been hurtful because I would expect a profession that prides itself on integrity, compassion and evidence based practice to have done a bit of research on the difference between addiction, dependence and tolerance if they were going to be working with patients who have pain. I have often had to politely educate a nurse caring for me about the differences between these subject and how the body needs rest and relief from pain. In the past 5 years I have had two more surgeries and one more post operative infection that left a hip to hip 21 cm open wound on my lower abdomen. One nurse who came in to dress the wound asked me to tell her if I was having pain and if I wished to be pre-medicated prior to the procedure (Bless her heart) Even though this would have been an opportunity to get meds I told her "It actually doesn't hurt at all! .

Those of us with Chronic pain know that what we are seeking is relief from the pain and the fact that I can watch television or eat or talk on the phone (All things I do to distract me from the pain) does not mean that I am not in pain.

So please put any pre conceived prejudices aside and listen to your patient. When I have worked with patient's in pain I take to time to listen to them , take a good history, explain the pain management options ordered and assure them that I will work with them to manage their pain. Such conversations often lead to a better attitude from the patient which means an easier shift for me . I also make sure I check in with the patient before procedures, rehab activity or around the time the next pain med might be due. Sometimes A PCA works well because it lock's out to prevent overdose and give the patient a sense of control where their pain is concerned.

So life today means that I am out of a wheelchair, working in a dynamic acute psychiatric environment and enjoying hobbies such as horseback riding, hiking, fishing and also knitting a quilting

As far as projecting our own life experiences on others I have to say that as a recovering alcoholic, who comes from a long line of functional alcoholics I cringe a bit when I see young people going on a bender but it's not my business unless they ask for my opinion which they rarely do.

peace out

Hppy

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Specializes in retired LTC.

Hppy - kudos to you for your perseverance in your struggles.

Also for your effort to educate those in need of educ thru their own misunderstanding or misjudgement.

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