Possible Solutions to Nursing School Wait lists?

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I am curious... Anyone have any ideas for possible solutions to the wait lists for nursing schools?

To start off the thread, I was thinking that nurses who are going for their BSN+, they will be required to go back and teach ADN, and LVN students. This would relieve the shortage of nursing teachers.

Sun surf, I agree. Let's close DOWN schools to create a real nursing shortage. By shortening the waiting list, more and more nurses would be cranked out every semester. This would result in lower pay/benefits and working conditions that is worse than now because hospitals know there will be a fresh batch of new grads twice a year. Ever wonder why the demand for nurses is so great, yet not that many new hospitals are being built, so technically there should not be a demand for nurses.

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I tend to agree that there should be a well known baseline for getting into a program, after that I think it should be a "rolling enrollment" so if you meet the baseline you will get in eventually. It makes no sense to me to admit to programs just based on GPA, COMPASS scores, etc. Sure it takes smarts to be a nurse, but it also takes a particular personality make-up, and some physical demands. I don't believe that grades alone predict who will be a good nurse.

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I was under the impression that precepting is very often simply a part of a nurse's job. Nurses are instructed and evaluated on teaching ability and teaching appears to be a fundamental part of being a nurse.

It is true that "not everyone wants to teach," but if that is the case, choose a profession where it is not part of your job description.

Precepting is (usually) voluntary - unless you have the misfortune of working for an employer who mandates it.

Patient teaching/education is part of the nursing job description, teaching other adults how to do their job is not- again, unless you have the misfortune of working for an employer who mandates it.

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Sure it takes smarts to be a nurse, but it also takes a particular personality make-up, and some physical demands. I don't believe that grades alone predict who will be a good nurse.

I agree, but I also think that a lot of people find out if the field is for them during school. Those admitted don't always make it to graduation. Even if you think you will love it, and were born for it, you just won't know until well into clinicals and actually working with patients.

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Precepting is (usually) voluntary - unless you have the misfortune of working for an employer who mandates it.

Patient teaching/education is part of the nursing job description, teaching other adults how to do their job is not- again, unless you have the misfortune of working for an employer who mandates it.

Well, we all need preceptors, we all need orientation, shouldn't we all be willing to provide a service we all needed at various times?

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Churning out more new grads will only serve to further erode pay, make job hunting even worse etc...leave it the way it is. Matter of fact I think some schools should close.

BINGO!!!!:up:

:yeah::yeah::yeah:

Orig Poster- there are a loooot of nurses out there. Schools are pumping them out left and right- every 3 months. It is a bandwagon- and the schools see this. So they do not tell their naive new students about the current job market. The students believe that they will graduate, make $100,000 a year withing 3 years, and never have to look for a job- the jobs will look for them.

Many new nursing schools have opened up- as a business who feeds off of this idea. $$$$$$$$$ :smokin:

Anyway- the market will eventually ease, and things will balance- somehow or another... so this post is directed at the here and now..

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Well, we all need preceptors, we all need orientation, shouldn't we all be willing to provide a service we all needed at various times?

I need all kinds of services (annual Pap & pelvic, the occasional brake job or tune-up for my car, a new roof on my house) that I'm not equipped or competent (or willing!) to provide for others ... :D But seriously, I'm with kids. Not just everyone in nursing is cut out for precepting, it's not an expectation of the basic RN role, and those who aren't interested or good at it shouldn't be forced or pressured into doing it -- that just means a bad experience for the preceptee.

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Err spouses or partners? ;-)[/quote']

You are 100% correct and I apologize for my carelessness. It just happens to be that the people I know in this situation happen to be heterosexual women ... and they were on my mind when I wrote the post. I never meant to exclude men or homosexuals. We're all in this together.

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You are 100% correct and I apologize for my carelessness. It just happens to be that the people I know in this situation happen to be heterosexual women ... and they were on my mind when I wrote the post. I never meant to exclude men or homosexuals. We're all in this together.
I know that you'd not intentionally exclude anybody (hence the winkie at the end). I was just teasing you. :-)
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I believe that the standard of the BSN being the entry point (experienced ADNs please dont jump down my throat your grandfathered it) should include either ADN programs being converted to BSN, or discontinued. Nursing needs to become a bachelors degree entry point to increase the prestige and pay of the profession, not to mention we need more masters prepared nurses at the bedside. Just my two cents...we have too many new nurses and no jobs something needs to be done.

Why are they moving the NP/CRNA/Midwife standard to doctorate and doing nothing about a much more widespread issue with RNs able to get into the profession with two quick years of education? I think the BSN while not NEARLY perfect offers a broad based education plus nursing curriculum. Heck, I think Spanish/medical terminology for nurses should be mandatory in this country. Just my two cents!

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I know that you'd not intentionally exclude anybody (hence the winkie at the end). I was just teasing you. :-)

:) I could see you weren't angry. Hopefully, we have "known" each other long enough to trust each other a little. However, I thought maybe there might be some people in the thread who really thought I needed the correction: so, I decided to correct it and apologize.

Really, I am actually glad you pointed my error out so that I could fix it. Thanks.

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