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Ever feel like our jobs would be 10000x easier if families were not allowed in the ED?
I'm not a complete jerk, I'm very nice to family members, try to accommodate, make them comfortable, keep them in the loop, and always ask the family if there is anything I can do for them on the way out. I'd want a family member there if I was sick and I would definitely want to be there for my family member as well. But sometimes I want to rip my hair out when they don't understand that they're delaying my ability to do my job.
1) They are glued to the bedside. I politely ask them if they can scoot over so I can do my assessment or start my IV. They take a gazillion years to actually stand up, pick up their purse, jacket, and their 10,000 other personal belongings. Then they leave the chair sitting there in my way. Gee thanks. I move said chair out of my way and walk out for two seconds to retreive an item I need (i.e. gloves, patient labels, tubes, something I forgot) and they've parked themselves back in the chair. Oh lawd!
2) The patient is without complaint, but the family is giving me an ear full. Why haven't they gotten a bed assigned? They've been waiting 10 minutes for a transporter to take them to CT scan. They want a private room. My favorite? "My mom is in so much pain, did you even give her the 2nd dose of pain medication?" Um, well judging by the fact she's now asleep....I'd say the pain medication is working and I'm not going to wake her up to find out.
3) They're babying the patient. 20-something young person with abdominal pain. Time to pop an IV in. Patient looks a little hesistant but I ensure them it will be quick! Mom or dad practically just across the stretcher to hold their hand (again, getting in my way) and completely over dramatic. "Oh honey, it's okay, I know how much you hate needles...nurse can't you use a smaller IV than that, like a butterfly?" *rubbing patient* Patient is now MORE anxious. Your son or daughter is my peer and not a child. Yeah, yeah, no one likes needles, I get it. I know what I'm doing so zip your lip and the deed will be done before the anxiety sets in. Cut the cord!
4) They answer questions FOR the patient. Sometimes the patient can't answer, in which case family is very helpful! But please don't talk over your loved one.... I appreciate additional input after the fact, but we're here for the patient so let's get their story first.
5) They don't want to stay any longer. Patient is going to be admitted for observation, all tests so far are negative. Or maybe we're waiting on a repeat troponin prior to discharge. Patient agrees with plan.... meanwhile the family member is furious because they're tired and they don't see the use of additional testing when nothing is wrong so far. Obviously you cared enough to bring them in the first place, so what's the issue?
6) They're hungry or have some other complaint. "I'm diabetic and I didn't eat anything all day, can you bring me a sandwich?" You're an adult. How do you survive on a daily basis? Go to the vending machine or find a nearby food place. I'll even tell you where there are some local spots. The patients come first. "I have a headache, can I have a tylenol?" Sure, if you'd like to register at the front desk!
7) "I have this rash on my foot, can you look at it?" Sure, you can register at the front desk. We'll get that checked out and take care of that headache, too! Maybe we can get you a mealtray as well.
8) It's a family reunion. You don't need the entire extended family and uncle leroy 2x removed at the bedside. Unless it's life or death you're going to have to take turns.
9) You're making suggestive comments or flirting with me. No, just no.
10) They decide to lay in the empty stretcher next door. Ugh, come on. What makes you think this is okay?
Any you'd like to add?
That brings end to my light-hearted post-shift rant :) Hurray, today is my "friday!"
*Disclaimer: Most of these fall to the wayside with very critical patients. I understand and advocate for family to be involved. It puts the patients at ease, gives the healthcare team more information, and just generally adds to the holistic care of the patient. I always try to accommodate when I can... I'll bring coffee if I have the spare time, try to keep family involved in the plan, and give them a business card with my name and contact info if they want to go home for the night and get a status update. Most families are very cool and understanding of whatever I ask them....even if I tell them they have too many visitors and they have to switch off in the waiting room. They're concerned for their loved ones and scared. But at the end of the day my focus is on the patient, so please let me give them the best care I can. I want you involved but not interfering. I promise, they're in good hands!
The wife of the sickest patient in the ED (art line, central line, tubed, pressers, etc) comes out to the desk stating to me, the pt's nurse, "When you get a fresh pot of coffee made, I'll need a cup. And can we clean up some of this mess?"Keeping in mind that I have otherwise been in the patient's room for the past four hours and only walked out to the desk ten steps across the room to use the bathroom and to get another pump for the fifth medication I'll be hanging.
Then said patient's child is an outpatient OR recovery nurse and is complaining about the tube placement tape that is "pulling on his lip." Stating, "We just don't DO that in the OR." Me? I'm looking in the room with the 3 used Bougies on the floor and the Glidescope at BS, and thinking, "are you freaking kidding me?" Instead I politely tell the family members, "based on the supplies I see in the room and on this floor, I'm guessing this was a very difficult intubation and we are doing all we can to keep him tubed and stable at the moment. So sorry I haven't had time to clean up the mess." ::eye roll::
Also love the patient that tries to lie to me and tells me "that doctor said I could have some pain medicine and you need to give it to me." Knowing that doc is NOT giving you anything. I still have to have a WRITTEN order for it.
Or that other patient that was already given some dilaudid by my co-worker but tries to tell me she didn't. Yeah, buddy. Try again.
I really do appreciate the family members that are knowledgeable about the patient's history, etc but still knows his/her boundaries and is actually appreciative of what we do as a profession. It actually drives me and pushes me to do my very best for your family member.
I just love those family members who are health care providers and want to nit pick about things about which they either know very little or ought to know enough not to nit pick about. (Sounds like your patient's wife was the latter!) My sister, a nurse executive who hasn't been near the bedside since 1982 wanted a "more comfortable place for my mother to sleep" in Dad's room in the CCU. She actually threw a fit about it, threatening to call the President of the hospital, threatening people's jobs, etc. . . . unfortunately the time she chose to throw said fit was right after Dad went into V-tach. Come ON, Rose! Can we fix the fatal arrhythmia first?
My sister, a nurse executive who hasn't been near the bedside since 1982 wanted a "more comfortable place for my mother to sleep" in Dad's room in the CCU. She actually threw a fit about it, threatening to call the President of the hospital, threatening people's jobs, etc. . . . unfortunately the time she chose to throw said fit was right after Dad went into V-tach. Come ON, Rose! Can we fix the fatal arrhythmia first?
That is one thing I LOVE about our hospital's ICU policy. They have very strict visiting hours and no one is allowed to sleep overnight. We actually have a huge ICU waiting area with recliners, TVs, computers, a kitchenette, showers, etc. It is very comfortable in there and families are able to sleep overnight for short periods of time too.
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I hate the ones who come in and say "Well the nurses at XX hospital were just AWFUL! And the doctors were TERRIBLE! They did everything wrong and made me wait a whole 10 minutes for my cholesterol pill! That's why I came HERE instead!"
Right.
First of all, I know you'll be saying the exact same things about us as soon as you leave.
Second, those nurses and providers you are complaining about happen to be my friends. We just work at different hospitals.
How about the frequent flyer who always comes in with the same (enabling) friend. Pt seems often to be a abd pain, alteration in coping skills type, history of back problems, fibromyalgia, and (you guessed it) chronic pain. Even though pt looks fluffy enough to feed a family of four at the Donner Pass through the winter, she is very concerned about this abd pain and nausea, she "hasn't been able to eat all day!"
Then the friend chimes in, "She's a hard start, they usually find a vein here", pointing to a place on the pt's arm. "They usually give her Dilaudid and Zofran, that always does the trick" she informs you. Then she texts something to someone to update, and says "She needs a warm blanket". "She's really thirsty, can she have something to drink?", she asks, ever the advocate.
Nothing like some BFF time at the local ER!
How about the frequent flyer who always comes in with the same (enabling) friend. Pt seems often to be a abd pain, alteration in coping skills type, history of back problems, fibromyalgia, and (you guessed it) chronic pain. Even though pt looks fluffy enough to feed a family of four at the Donner Pass through the winter, she is very concerned about this abd pain and nausea, she "hasn't been able to eat all day!"Then the friend chimes in, "She's a hard start, they usually find a vein here", pointing to a place on the pt's arm. "They usually give her Dilaudid and Zofran, that always does the trick" she informs you. Then she texts something to someone to update, and says "She needs a warm blanket". "She's really thirsty, can she have something to drink?", she asks, ever the advocate.
Nothing like some BFF time at the local ER!
Some times I wonder how some people HAVE friends!
Some times I wonder how some people HAVE friends!
I know, it's a weird dynamic. We have a frequent female patient that comes in with a male "friend" who will present himself as her spouse until directly questioned. Also a brother-sister combo who seem like spouses, but aren't. And seriously, should a girl's brother really know the date of her LMP more than the girl does??? Ewww.
But I digress. You know how some people relish the "sick role"? I think there are some people who relish that "caretaker" role, as a layperson and just with that one sickie. It's a strange relationship.
Ever get the pain seeker with the trashy looking friend/gf/bf who is overly concerned with the medications being administered to the patient?
What medication is that?
Dilaudid.
How m any mg?
1.
Oh that wont do anything for her, she needs atleast 2mg.
Let me guess....she also needs it pushed fast with benadryl? And these arent track marks, they are from all the bloodwork she gets drawn for her untractable pain, right? You must be in pharm school!
So the other day I had a patient who was elderly with pneumonia. BP was holding steady in the 90s-99s.. He was given antibiotics and I hung a 1L bag to give him a 500ml bolus. It was infusing wide open and the pt was aaox3 with good color, strong pulses, and cap refill
Oh...makes sense. All I could do was tell him his dad was in good hands. I do this every day and I am keeping a good eye on everyone I care for! Emergency medicine obviously isnt your specialty....judging by the fact you are now SQUEEZING the bolus as I leave the bedside. Recycling the blood pressure cuff q2 minutes isnt necessary either while your father is trying to rest at 4am....
Thar was a long shift!
Ever get the pain seeker with the trashy looking friend/gf/bf who is overly concerned with the medications being administered to the patient? What medication is that? Dilaudid. How m any mg? 1. Oh that wont do anything for her she needs atleast 2mg. Let me guess....she also needs it pushed fast with benadryl? And these arent track marks, they are from all the bloodwork she gets drawn for her untractable pain, right? You must be in pharm school! So the other day I had a patient who was elderly with pneumonia. BP was holding steady in the 90s-99s.. He was given antibiotics and I hung a 1L bag to give him a 500ml bolus. It was infusing wide open and the pt was aaox3 with good color, strong pulses, and cap refillI worked step down in a surgical specialty where we had very specific parameters for CVP, that included values outside the normal range... I had a patient who was meeting those parameters with gold stars, recovering nicely and doing just fine until his GP daughter showed up and started freaking out. "Isn't his CVP high? Don't you think you should do something about his CVP? I really feel like you should address that CVP, Dad, do you have a headache? The normal range for CVP is (consult google on phone)"
Despite multiple explanations of why our parameters were set she just could not think outside the textbook. I threw a party when visiting hours ended.
My favorite, which has probably already been said is when you go to start an IV and the family member chimes in that you must use a butterfly and it must be in the hand "in this vein right here" because they are a very hard stick. Then then they get upset when you explain that unfortunately the hospital does not have butterfly IV start kits and the IV must be above the wrist because the patient needs a CT with contrast and that is hospital policy. All the while the patient says nothing and does not seem to care what type of IV you use or where you place it. Best part is when you get a beautiful 18G on your first try and the family member realizes it is time to be quiet.
My favorite, which has probably already been said is when you go to start an IV and the family member chimes in that you must use a butterfly and it must be in the hand "in this vein right here" because they are a very hard stick. Then then they get upset when you explain that unfortunately the hospital does not have butterfly IV start kits and the IV must be above the wrist because the patient needs a CT with contrast and that is hospital policy. All the while the patient says nothing and does not seem to care what type of IV you use or where you place it. Best part is when you get a beautiful 18G on your first try and the family member realizes it is time to be quiet.
WHY do some ppl want the hand? i know some ppl with no veins sometimes say they only have luck in the hand...i get that...but some people WANT the hand. why! that ish HURTS!
And i understand not wanting the AC because you bend your arm and its not comfy. but in a pinch its often the best spot. I personally like a nice juicy forearm vein
Oh im a hard stick, *gets 18g blindfolded from across the room* WHY does everyone think theyre a hard stick??
Oh im a hard stick *gets 18g blindfolded from across the room* WHY does everyone think theyre a hard stick??[/quote']I posted a list of reasons on a thread a while back... As I recall I offended someone with it.
I think it's mostly because the venipuncture skill level out there in the world leaves much to be desired. I often get a patient who has been poked upwards of 5 times by medics or other nurses who is, for me, an easy start (we are the unofficial IV team for our hospital). I personally have pale skin and highly visible dark blue veins that puff up like balloons, and I still get missed or blown frequently.
Then, for those high anxiety types I think they blow things out of proportion in their brains, so maybe a successful start that took a second dig after insertion stands out as a major trial in memory. Whatever the reason, I agree, almost everyone thinks they are difficult to poke.
I personally almost never start a hand... They are painful and interfere with good hygiene.
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The wife of the sickest patient in the ED (art line, central line, tubed, pressers, etc) comes out to the desk stating to me, the pt's nurse, "When you get a fresh pot of coffee made, I'll need a cup. And can we clean up some of this mess?"
Keeping in mind that I have otherwise been in the patient's room for the past four hours and only walked out to the desk ten steps across the room to use the bathroom and to get another pump for the fifth medication I'll be hanging.
Then said patient's child is an outpatient OR recovery nurse and is complaining about the tube placement tape that is "pulling on his lip." Stating, "We just don't DO that in the OR." Me? I'm looking in the room with the 3 used Bougies on the floor and the Glidescope at BS, and thinking, "are you freaking kidding me?" Instead I politely tell the family members, "based on the supplies I see in the room and on this floor, I'm guessing this was a very difficult intubation and we are doing all we can to keep him tubed and stable at the moment. So sorry I haven't had time to clean up the mess." ::eye roll::
Also love the patient that tries to lie to me and tells me "that doctor said I could have some pain medicine and you need to give it to me." Knowing that doc is NOT giving you anything. I still have to have a WRITTEN order for it.
Or that other patient that was already given some dilaudid by my co-worker but tries to tell me she didn't. Yeah, buddy. Try again.
I really do appreciate the family members that are knowledgeable about the patient's history, etc but still knows his/her boundaries and is actually appreciative of what we do as a profession. It actually drives me and pushes me to do my very best for your family member.