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Hi fellow nursing colleagues.

I have just graduated from nursing school with a BSN degree (w/ honors!) three weeks ago. Life was happy for me as I got an interview for a nurse aid/tech float pool position at a great hospital that I really want to work at, in the middle of April. This was due to a job fair that this particular hospital was holding at a local elementary school back in January. I have also volunteered over 300 hours of working for various departments at this hospital prior to (even during high school!), and during my nursing school years. Right out of school last month, I have also applied to several other hospitals in my area to work as a nurse aid/tech, since you have to go this nurse aid/tech route in order to even apply for a new RN graduate program (and I'm talking about HI nursing work environment).

As of now, I am still studying and prepping real hard for the upcoming NCLEX-RN exam. I am still awaiting my ATT.

About two months before I started nursing school, which was back in 2012, I was working as a part-time sales associate for a clothing department store at a local mall. After two semesters of nursing school has passed by, I said to myself, "hey, why are you working at a department store, when you should be doing something more related to nursing?" Prior to the summer after my third semester of nursing school, I have applied for a summer internship at a local hospital. I got a call to interview for this summer internship at the hospital. After the interview, i honestly felt bummed out, because I thought I screwed up. However, I got a call the following week, where the hospital offered me a position as a summer intern for one of their med-surg. units.

I didn't even expect myself to even get into this summer internship program.

Hence, I applied for a CNA job at an assisted living/long-term care facilities for elderly people. Did the background check, and eventually got hired to work at this long-term care facility. They expected me to work full time, but with the summer internship hire, I eventually had to only work on weekends at this long-term care facility, since I had my hospital internship Mondays-Fridays.

My hospital internship went well, and completed the last day of this internship, in middle of August of last year.

The long-term care facility job as a CNA, HOWEVER,....turned out to be a bullying work environment, and complete NIGHTMARE where my complaints to the DON about certain co-workers and their un-professional behavior towards some of the residents, back-fired on me. Things deteriorated about one-month after starting the job at this long-term care facility. I was one of two male CNA's, and the only non-Filipino CNA in the skilled nursing facility (SNF) at this assisted living place.

I also recalled one of the scheduling manager who was also mean to me. There was one instance where she told me to come in at 2PM for computer training. This was one week after I started working at the assisted living center. When I arrived at 1:30PM at her office, she said, "oh sorry, but you were supposed to go to the other facility." It would have been great if she was more specific.

Getting back to the co-workers, some of them would make me do all the work, and when it was the end of shift, some of them would order me to take so-and-so to the restroom, while they all clocked out and left. I was really ****** off. So I typed out a complaint to the manager and the DON. I mistakenly included "Mr. So-and-so" (I actually wrote his lastname) in my typed out complaint to the DON, and guess what? She wrote me up for HIPAA violation.

It got to a point where one day, towards the end of my time working at this assisted living facility, where I asked another CNA to help me transport a resident from the bathroom, back to the dining area, because she had to use the restroom while eating her breakfast. She also suffered a stroke, so she couldn't walk. The other CNA simply said, "lalalala, do your own ****" and walked off. Then she started to converse in Tagalog/Filipino language with another Filipino co-worker. It's also against facility policy to speak a foreign language other than English, outside of the break room. Also, mind you, this resident whom I had to transport is a heavy resident. Just because I'm a male, doesn't mean that I can fully lift her up with one arm and change her soiled diaper, and then place her in the wheelchair.

I then met with the DON in her office that morning, since I worked the overnight shift that day, and explained to her everything. She said to submit her a typed out complaint.

I had to work the following day, night shift again, so I showed up to work at around 11:30PM, just before the midnight shift began. The nurse on duty gave me stink eyes, and three CNA's were giggling at me. Another co-worker, and LPN whom I worked with and got along with well, told me that i wasn't supposed to come in to work. HUH?!!! Nobody told me this, because on the schedule print-out, it clearly stated that I had to work that night shift. So I called the manager's house,...remember the scheduling manager I have mentioned earlier in this post, who told me to come in for computer training, and then told me that training is cancelled when I arrived at her office? Well, I called her cell phone, didn't care if it was almost midnight, because I was infuriated that I drove one hour, 17 miles, from my house to go to work, wasted my time and gas, only to be told to go home. Rather than apologize to me, she said, "oh well, that's not my problem" and slammed the phone on me.

The following morning, I reported all of this to the DON and also emailed the HR manager, regarding the scheduling manager. HR manager called me and told me to come to the facility that afternoon at around 3PM. Arrived at the facility, and sat down in the conference room with the DON of the SNF unit, and the HR manager. HR manager then handed me a letter and told me that I was terminated from working at the facility. I was really stunned, and enraged at the same time. But I kept my composure, and asked them why the scheduling manager is not being talked to, and why other CNA's have been ostracizing me. Basically, my questions fell on both deaf ears. They both said that my remaining pay-check will be mailed to me. I didn't want to waste time and argue with them. So I asked the HR manager that if I apply for a job in the future, what will you disclose to the potential employer. She said quote-in-quote, "I will only disclose your position, the dates you were employed with us, and maybe, your hourly wage, But nothing else will be disclosed."

Hence, I would not mind listing this long-term assisted living facility on future applications of places that I have previously worked. Plus this is the only job where I worked as a CNA, and although a long-term assisted living center, it's better than having no CNA or nursing-related job experience.

When I was filling out my online application for this hospital that I really really want to work at, i listed this long-term assisted living facility, along with department store job, and the summer internship job at another hospital.

For the reference section of my online application, I only listed my nursing school instructor, the nurse manager of my summer internship program, and the manager of the volunteer program at the hospital I'm trying to work at.

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Fast forward to last week, I called up the HR office of the hospital where I want to work as a tech in the float pool department. I was curious as to what was going on with the background check process of my application, as it was taking loner than usual for them to get back to me. The hospital HR office secretary called me back, and told me that the background check company contacted all places that I've worked at.

Guess what? The secretary told me that the long-term care center trashed me, and gave me bad ratings across the board.

She also had a tone of voice where she thinks the HR nurse recruiter manager at this hospital I want to work at, will take back their initial nurse aid/tech job offer.

Sorry guys, but I am fuming with anger right now. I didn't know that the HR manager of the long-term assisted living facility would stab me in the back, and lie to me that she will only disclose my position and dates of employment.

Honestly, I feel that my reputation with the HR office of the hospital I want to work for, has been slandered by whoever from the long-term assisted living facility responded to the background check company.

I am jumping the gun right now, and I don't know the final decision of my job offer yet. However, i am pretty sure that my job offer will be rescinded.

If that happens, then I cannot eventually apply for the new graduate RN program, because it's only offered to in-house/current employees of the hospital.

All my dreams and hope of eventually working as a future RN for this hospital has gone down the toilet because of the negative job report/reference from a previous employer who has also tormented and bullied me.

What can I do?

My parents and I are thinking of hiring an employment attorney to iron this out. Because I was expecting this job, I have a wife and a child to feed, and have nursing school-related student loans that needs to be paid starting July!

I also called and met with the HR manager of the assisted living center (she still works there) yesterday. She "swears to God" that she didn't disclose negative information about my work performance. The finger pointing then goes to the main company's HR office. She said she will call the main company's HR office to find out, and then will call me back. She called me back yesterday, and told me nobody from the main company's HR office gave out bad/false reference about me.

Something is not adding up here, but my reputation with this dream hospital has already been tarnished by the long-term care facility. I am also guessing that i will not get the nurse aid/tech job. Hence, my hopes of even applying for this hospital's new graduate RN program is dashed, and I will have no money to feed my family and start paying my student loans.

Please feel free to talk about your guys' past experience with negative job references, and how were you able to find a nursing job?

Did some of you seek legal help in this kind of situation??

It's not slander if the statements are truthful.

Then how am I going to get a job? Will I be job-less for life?

See JustBeachy, I want to add my 2-cents into your comments.

You seem to come here and want to trash me for a previous job experience that didn't go well. At other places I've worked at, I have good comments of my job performance.

I don't know what the long-term care facility has disclosed, but I'm upset with them, as had they been more upfront with me, I wouldn't have bothered listing them on my application.

Now I don't have a job. No way to pay my student loan. No way to support a future family.

What am I to do? Collect welfare checks every month?

I mean there has got to be a remedy somewhere, because we are all not perfect individuals.

We all mess-up or make mistakes in our lives. These kind of mistakes should not penalize us from getting a future job, as each situation is different. You may or may not agree with that statement, but everybody deserves a 2nd chance.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Then how am I going to get a job? Will I be job-less for life?

See JustBeachy, I want to add my 2-cents into your comments.

You seem to come here and want to trash me for a previous job experience that didn't go well. At other places I've worked at, I have good comments of my job performance.

I don't know what the long-term care facility has disclosed, but I'm upset with them, as had they been more upfront with me, I wouldn't have bothered listing them on my application.

Now I don't have a job. No way to pay my student loan. No way to support a future family.

What am I to do? Collect welfare checks every month?

I mean there has got to be a remedy somewhere, because we are all not perfect individuals.

We all mess-up or make mistakes in our lives. These kind of mistakes should not penalize us from getting a future job, as each situation is different. You may or may not agree with that statement, but everybody deserves a 2nd chance.

You seem to be fixated on praising the posters who agree with you, trashing the posters who don't and defending yourself for your lack of good judgement, ability to get along with others and professionalism. Please try and learn something from this whole experience -- and believe me when I say that the lesson isn't "It's all someone else's fault." YOU made the choice to complain about your co-workers, call your manager at home at midnight and then list that LTC as a reference. Yes, we all mess up and make mistakes in our lives. Anyone who says they haven't is either a liar or a fool. But it seems that you messed up over and over in that job, and that is something else again.

In an ideal world, one's mistakes shouldn't make one unemployable. But from the standpoint of the hiring facility, why would they want to take on an employee who sounds like he is going to be trouble from the get go? Why would anyone? You had more than one second chance at that LTC position, but you continued to complain about your colleagues . . . I'm not sure how professional your complaints were, but your complaint that they "were mean to you" is a difficult one for me personally to get past. It's so subjective. If you want to complain that the Fillipino nurses wouldn't speak English to you, that's specific and also against the rules. But to say they were "mean to you" doesn't sound mature or professional.

What are you to do? Keep looking until you find a job. Any job. Stay there for two years, and be totally professional while you're there. Good luck.

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.

I'm not saying that you do not deserve a second chance. I'm saying that if he statements made by the long term care facility are truthful there is no slander and no cause for legal action.

Not all facilitates utilize background check companies. Some facilities check employment reference by only asking did they work there, when, rate of pay and are they eligible for rehire. If not eligible for rehire that can be a negative by not always as there are so many reasons one is ineligible for rehire. Those that just ask the basics often ask for professional references such as from former managers, coworkers, or nursing school instructors.

If you have not already seek out letters of reference and include them whe submitting your resume. Many online applications permit you to upload not only resumes and cover letters but copies of commendations and reference letters. References from clinical instructors (or even nurses that are willing from clinical sites) are often held in high regard.

Are you certain of what was said by your former employer? Were you specifically informed that the reference for the LTC is what eliminated your employment opportunity? Or are you just assuming that is what epi aged you? (I know someone who assumed she was blackballed but later found out it was not the former employer but something less sinister and benign...)

if you were specifically told it was your LTC employer that caused you to lose the job in most states you have the opportunity to review the reference/background check. (This is not true for all states. Some states only permit you a copy if your credit check caused you to lose a job opportunity. Police background checks are a different matter entirely)

Instead of panicking and planning on welfare, first find out for certain what was the reason you lost the job.

If you haven't already secure personal reference letters from clinical and theory nursing instructors, former managers, former colleagues that can confidently speak as to your skill and work ethic.

Specializes in Complex pedi to LTC/SA & now a manager.
Then how am I going to get a job? Will I be job-less for life?

See JustBeachy, I want to add my 2-cents into your comments.

You seem to come here and want to trash me for a previous job experience that didn't go well. At other places I've worked at, I have good comments of my job performance.

I don't know what the long-term care facility has disclosed, but I'm upset with them, as had they been more upfront with me, I wouldn't have bothered listing them on my application.

Now I don't have a job. No way to pay my student loan. No way to support a future family.

What am I to do? Collect welfare checks every month?

I mean there has got to be a remedy somewhere, because we are all not perfect individuals.

We all mess-up or make mistakes in our lives. These kind of mistakes should not penalize us from getting a future job, as each situation is different. You may or may not agree with that statement, but everybody deserves a 2nd chance.

I'm not trashing you. I'm trying to refocus you. If the statements are true there is no slander. This is a fact.

This is not indicative that you will never get a job unless you create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Secure personal/professional letters of reference and move on.

It sounds like you were experiencing lateral violence. Wanting to be treated with decency is not "spoiled" or whatever, and I don't know why people here are so offended. I wish I had advice to you, but this is the problem with nursing that makes me doubt whether or not I should have gone into nursing. The lady who did "lalala do your own *****" could have just said "sorry, I am pretty overwhelmed myself." if she was unable to help you. The whole post made me annoyed at your coworkers but there is not much advice I can give. All I can say is that you are supposed to report lateral violence, and you did...but unfortunately doing the "right thing" is often times what will get people the most annoyed.

Specializes in ER.

I understand about quitting due to politics.

I asked to be put on call the rest of my shifts. The few shifts I did not get on call I experienced crap because I was quitting and so the unit and the manager was mad about it. First, she told the whole day unit I quit which ticked me off. Cross my name off the schedule but she shouldn't be telling day shift I quit. So that made me unhappy. If they heard it from the grape vine from the people I told, I wouldn't care but when multiple people tell me that the manager came out and started ranting about it, that ticks me off. Granted it's hearsay but people had the impression that I had quit that day and were telling the night shift people not to sign patients to me.

Next, they made me float against unit policies that were in place. Then it's "you're quitting so the policies do not apply to you." Seriously, that's what they told me. Then they floated me multiple times in a row when it was not my turn because once again, I'm quitting. So when I asked the person in charge of staffing and she told me she had my end date wrong and was willing to put me back on the schedule for the one day they took off, I told them no.

Flip side is that the unit I floated to the first night and half of the 2nd night didn't want me to be pulled to the other unit the next night.

So honestly, I am done with the hospital and will not ever come back to that system. So I understand quitting because of bad coworkers. I am hoping that they talk to HR and not my manager as the company didn't do a reference check until after I accepted the position. My manager was furious I gave her two weeks notice and apparently that wasn't enough. Too bad no one else realized that two weeks wasn't standard.

However, you may want to tread carefully with the suing. Did HR release the interview notes to you?

Specializes in FNP, ONP.
I will not litigate the hospital of where I want to work. My folks and I plan to litigate against the long-term facility that slandered my reputation and terminated me because of my complaints against co-workers, as well as for whistle-blowing against a co-worker who was mistreating one of the elderly residents.

I don't know yet, so I don't want to jump the gun. I still haven't heard back from the hospital's HR office.

What do you mean by new dream? There is no way in hell that I am going to start a new non-nursing career. I've invested my time and my folks' money into going to nursing school. I also have student loans to pay back soon. Had the long-term care facility only disclosed my employment dates and position, this hoopla wouldn't have happened.

All this anger is beginning to make me understand why you had problems in the first place. That aside, I only meant to look for a job at a different facility. This isn't going to work out. You'll find a new dream job. It will be fine. Calm down. Let it go. Getting an attorney to threaten the LTC facility is only going to make you look like a malcontent. good luck

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