Overtime dependent nurses

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We have new edicts about overtime at our hospital that have some up in arms. Me, I do overtime about once a month, it's not really part of my budget though. I don't really like working more than full time, but if I do, I'm glad I get time and a half.

Some of my colleagues are utterly dependent on it. The top earners where I work are making $50 an hr. That means overtime adds up to $75 an hour. Then they are indignant that management wants to have more per diem nurses, wants to give extra shifts to newer nurses, wants people to clock out on time, not get double backs, etc and so forth.

Ironically, many of these nurses are free market advocates, outraged at liberal policies, irate when destitute people abuse the system. Yet they feel totally put out when hospital management is really making rational business decisions to avoid paying top earners big bucks. We are a union contract hospital where there is a step system that rewards longevity.

I'm grateful for it, personally. I'm fairly up there in earnings. But, on the other hand, I do understand that hospital administrations, as much as we loath their outrageous tactics, salaries, arrogance, do have a legitimate goal of reducing expenses.

What do you all think?

I agree that it is very difficult to make ends meet on 20 an hour. But how realistic is it to expect to maintain long distance relationships by making that drive every month? I moved a similar distance from home about 9 months ago and won't be visiting for the first time till October! I love facebook! But then, I have no plans to return. Nor do I have a boyfriend there. Hopefully this is not the long term plan for you? Sounds like you would move back if you had a job there.

Anyway, I agree that depending on overtime is a gamble. In this present time, a second job might provide more stability.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

I agree with the general theme of most of the previous posts. It is a mistake to allow yourself to become dependent on over-time pay because:

1. Smart employers will always be looking for ways to reduce it

2. Research shows that people who work extra-long hours

a. make more mistakes

b. hurt their health

3. Life is too short to spend it all working

Specializes in Ambulatory Surgery, Ophthalmology, Tele.
Some people like to live like they have more than they do. People these days live on plastic cards with limitations and never pay it off. Some people see a big check as a shopping spree fund every pay day. It is not the old days where people only spent money for school clothes and special occasions. We are in the materialist greed days

My favorite quote by financial guy, Dave Ramsey: "We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like."

I became a little "crispy" (I got a kick out of this from a previous poster here regarding those who are burned out) after my first 2 1/2 years. I was working an extra shift a week whenever possible. Sometimes I would work 3 on, 1 off, 3 on. I don't know what I was thinking. Well, actually I do. It was "experience" and extra money.

When I decided to not work overtime (extra days) anymore, the first check I received was a bit of a shock: Open the envelope...looks at check amount.... That's it???? :wideyed:

I changed my spending habits. My new motto became: Spend less, work less. :up:

I kept this up and slowly reduced my debt. Now I don't work bedside anymore. I took a pay cut to be able to do this but the new motto became "Make a little less, stress a LOT less." ;)

Specializes in ER.
My favorite quote by financial guy, Dave Ramsey: “We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like.”

Big Dave Ramsey fan here! I went to a live event once. That quote is classic Dave!

I also wanted to add that I know a few nurses who work crazy additional hours, moan about work, spend big bucks on vacations just to get away from it all and come home broke. Rinse and repeat, and add plenty of whines in the break room for good measure.

Dude, maybe if you did not work so much you would not feel so compelled to treat yourself so often with vacations.

Never a good idea to depend on overtime! We are Dave Ramsey followers too, which is why we have no debt(aside from student loans). In the 6 mths I've had my Jon, I've maybe had 20 hours of overtime. 1) I like my 3 shifts a week and 2) I need a life with my kids! The money would be nice but we already live way under our means with a base pay of 20$ and have no problem making ends meet in a nice home and school district. It can be done you just have to think outside the box!

Specializes in ER.
I also wanted to add that I know a few nurses who work crazy additional hours, moan about work, spend big bucks on vacations just to get away from it all and come home broke. Rinse and repeat, and add plenty of whines in the break room for good measure.

Dude, maybe if you did not work so much you would not feel so compelled to treat yourself so often with vacations.

Worse yet, I know more than one grouchy, top of the pay scale, constant overtime working nurse who frequent the casinos and keep bailing out drug abusing, mooching offspring.

I think nursing school should require pre-reqs in financial management and life skills. These are subjects severely lacking in our educational system today.

Worse yet, I know more than one grouchy, top of the pay scale, constant overtime working nurse who frequent the casinos and keep bailing out drug abusing, mooching offspring.

I think nursing school should require pre-reqs in financial management and life skills. These are subjects severely lacking in our educational system today.

From my totally subjective and limited point of view, nursing seems to have a higher than usual number of codependent/enablers/wannabe-saviors and suckers for drama kings and queens who keep falling down in life.

I hope I am alone in observing this but I suspect I am not.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
From my totally subjective and limited point of view, nursing seems to have a higher than usual number of codependent/enablers/wannabe-saviors and suckers for drama kings and queens who keep falling down in life.

I hope I am alone in observing this but I suspect I am not.

You are not alone.

all the hospitals here pay $22-25/hr. Im a school nurse now and make $23/hr based on my hours worked. I also work at a hospital 1 shift a month and make $22.50-25 depending on the shift. I'm jealous of the $50/hr, wow!! You can't depend on OT, period. If you need more money that you can depend on, get a PT job or a per diem with a guaranteed amt of shifts.

Specializes in ICU.

My ex and I followed Dave Ramsey for years. I have no debt whatsoever. My home, car, and school are paid for. All of our hard work and frugality paid off years ago. Because of that, I don't have to work while I am in school. I don't have enough to live off of the rest of my life, but I live comfortably. I budget everything. Living off of $20 can be done. No one should ever depend on overtime. It is too easily taken away.

Specializes in Forensic Psychiatry.

Personally, my unit wouldn't be able to run if it wasn't for OT. I do OT about 2x a week (1. I drive about 1 hr and a 1/2 just to get to work and it pays the gas - the nursing jobs out here aren't exactly plentiful and I can't move closer because my S/O works 5 min away from home, and 2. I work with violent criminal psychiatric patients and about 1/2 of my crew is out injured at all times). Staffing has attempted to cut OT down by providing more Per Diem and float nurses but that has lead to additional problems.

I don't live outside my means and I'm able to do pretty well without the OT (usually it goes to gas and savings, plus I'm Dual Income No Kids Ever so I don't have child related expenses and the time to do OT). This isn't true for the whole hospital (I mean when a psych tech can do enough overtime to make 90K a year off a $15 and hour salary.... well people get use to having that income, especially when they have been able to get enough overtime to hit 80hr work weeks since they started).

Usually when staffing goes on this whole "lets get rid of the OT" kick - people get mad. However, it's not just money related, it's also safety related. On my unit, we are a very tight knit crew - we have to be. I need to know that if a patient runs at me with a shank that the people on my unit won't just run away and lock themselves in the chart room. All my patients have very personalized engagement plans and we all know them - we know their precursor behaviors, how they are best deescalated and what methods work best with these individuals during crisis intervention. We also know that the other crew members aren't going to run when a patient attempts to assault- that we as a team will all attempt to safely diffuse the situation.

I would much rather have someone come in for Swing-Shift OT (my shift) from Day-Shift or Noc-Shift than get someone from the float pool that has never worked on the unit before. Even when we try and hire new people only about 25% actually stay. We train them, put time and effort into making them a part of the team, but it's not an easy environment to work in. It's not for everyone. People leave because of the risk and the stress. Or they get let go because they aren't a good fit. I don't fault them for it, but it really makes it difficult when you're working on a 16 staff unit - with only 8 regular staff and the rest are float, temp and limited staff.

The nurse I work with has been out on leave, my LPN left mysteriously - so it's been just me and the Psych-Techs. I get float nurses and LPNs but it makes the shift very difficult for me. Half the time I'm trying to do my job - their job (we had one lady that slept in the breakroom for the entire shift leaving me to do the floor, the charting and help the LPN with meds). I would much rather have one of my Day-Shift or Noc-Shift RN's on OT with me, or my Supervisor because they know what to do and don't leave me to do all the charting on 25 patients, the floor, the meds, the orders, the assessments, the interventions ect all alone. Some of the float nurses are awesome and I can easily delegate and teach them the particulars about the unit. Some of the float people however, would rather argue with me about how my unit is run rather than do any work. I basically have to spend the entire shift babysitting so that they don't do something that gets them hurt.

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