Ordering controlled meds, then refusing prescription?

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Hello,

I have witnessed a frustrating pattern that has gotten worse over the years. Doctors order a generous pain management regimen for patients in house, then send the patient home on Motrin or 3 days on Percocet. The patients understandably get upset, and since I am doing the discharge teaching I get the brunt of it. Most of the time, patients are not satisfied with my response and rationale. I then call the resident and ask if they can speak to the patient. At that point, they have already washed their hands of the patient, who by their own intents and purposes is or should be discharged. It's quite frustrating.

It gets worse when they add a benzo to the regimen, (first of all, IMHO anxiety while hospitalized is normal and adaptive, but some docs treat it like a problem to be extinguished.) The patients want that Ativan at home now too, and of course rinse and repeat..same scenario as the pain meds.

I am on the float pool and this is a huge problem in psych, with the docs snowing the patients and then refusing to send them home with prns or benzos.

Is this a problem where you work?

...and I'm the nurse that gets those patients admitted to my SNF for rehab....minus the Ativan, minus the Ambien, minus the Dilaudid/ Percocet/ Vicodin.

Yep, they were on all of those in the morning and might have even got their prns that morning. Now it is 7pm and I'm in the middle of doing their admission. Try getting an order for any of those.

I too work rehab in snf, and it is SO frustrating when the hosp doesn't send a hard script. Cuz then you have to have the pharmacy call the doctor, and then wait for that process and wait for an auth to pull from the EDK box. Frustrating! When getting report from the hospital nurse, I always ask if the pt is on any scheduled meds and tell them to please get a hard script to send with the pt. Many times the doc has already left though.

Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.
I too work rehab in snf, and it is SO frustrating when the hosp doesn't send a hard script. Cuz then you have to have the pharmacy call the doctor, and then wait for that process and wait for an auth to pull from the EDK box. Frustrating! When getting report from the hospital nurse, I always ask if the pt is on any scheduled meds and tell them to please get a hard script to send with the pt. Many times the doc has already left though.

When I worked at a SNF, I told them I'd be happy to accept report, but only once they'd generated a triplicate. Worked more often than not.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I too work rehab in snf, and it is SO frustrating when the hosp doesn't send a hard script. Cuz then you have to have the pharmacy call the doctor, and then wait for that process and wait for an auth to pull from the EDK box. Frustrating! When getting report from the hospital nurse, I always ask if the pt is on any scheduled meds and tell them to please get a hard script to send with the pt. Many times the doc has already left though.

We never send hard scripts for patients going to a "rehab SNF", since a true rehab SNF stay includes necessary medications. What are you doing with a hard script if a patient comes with one?

Specializes in Hospice.
We never send hard scripts for patients going to a "rehab SNF", since a true rehab SNF stay includes necessary medications. What are you doing with a hard script if a patient comes with one?

I think I depends on state pharmacy regs, but in my state, no outside pharmacy will fill a rx for controlled mess without a hard script in addition to admission orders. In-house pharmacies may work differently, though.

Specializes in Critical Care.
I think I depends on state pharmacy regs, but in my state, no outside pharmacy will fill a rx for controlled mess without a hard script in addition to admission orders. In-house pharmacies may work differently, though.

A rehab-SNF stay is a Medicare part A covered stay, all major insurers also cover it in the same way they cover inpatient hospital stays, which is why I was asking. If a SNF is accepting a patient as a rehab-SNF stay and then expecting them to provide their own medications then that would be insurance fraud, regardless of what state they are in.

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