On-Call Duties in Acute HD

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Just wondering, because this is how it worked when I was a hospice nurse; do any of you work for a HD company that has day shift nurses and then on-call nurses who only work in an on-call capacity after hours?

The company that I currently work for (one of the Big Two), expects the acute nurses to work all day, sometimes a very long day, and then still be on call that night. This is the normal practice, not just a once in a while thing when we are short staffed (which is pretty much all the time because no one wants to stick around due to having to be available all 24 hours on some days). I'm getting the impression that this is the norm for the Big Two, and probably for most of the smaller companies, but why do these companies feel that a human being should be able to work 18, 20, even 24 hours straight? This isn't even safe, is it?

I realize that I am probably going to get responses about the cost of having separate on-call staff to cover nights, but if hospice companies do it (and it's pretty much standard in hospice) when their night calls are rarely as long as in HD where even a two hour emergency treatment equals at least four hours out, then why can't HD companies care enough about their acute nurses to do the same? Hospice benefit reimbursement from the government is paltry, so if they can afford it, why can't two very profitable corporate entities do the same for the sake of giving their nurses some semblance of a normal life and a better chance of practicing safely because they aren't fatigued out of their minds?

Signed,

Burned out acutes nurse looking desperately to transition to chronics

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.

$2 an hour it is, at least in my area. That is part of why we have a high turnover rate and are usually short staffed. No O/T until 40 hours either, so we can work a 20 hour day and not even get O/T for it, if it is at the beginning of the week or the rest of the week is slow and we don't get a lot of hours. That does happen from time to time, where things drastically drop off and we don't get a lot of hours. It's kind of rare though, and usually we end up with more hours than we want!

Call is really tough to "schedule," and requirements vary from facility to facility.

I think it's the mid-sized programs that have the toughest time. Either it's feast or famine. Not steady enough patient numbers to schedule and employ regular night staff, nor slow enough that the Acute RN's don't often get hammered with add-ons at the end of their day.

My former supervisor was great about trying to find other people to cover for you the next day if you were stuck working late, or called out in the middle of the night.

Getting home after ten or thirteen hours, only to have the phone ring as soon as your head hits the pillow is a soul crushing experience. I finally requested to be placed on call only on my non-scheduled days. That helped a LOT. It meant less days "free," but it was well worth the peace of mind.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.
Getting home after ten or thirteen hours, only to have the phone ring as soon as your head hits the pillow is a soul crushing experience. I finally requested to be placed on call only on my non-scheduled days. That helped a LOT. It meant less days "free," but it was well worth the peace of mind.

Was this a problem with the other staff, though? I mentioned to a couple of my co-workers that I think no one should be on call who just worked all day and that it would be better to take call on the night of our day off, and they said that they never want to be on call on their day off, that they would rather take the beating and work 20 hours on their scheduled day if they had to. This obviously makes me a minority and since no one else would be willing to take call on their nights off, I can't either, because it would force someone else to.

Interesting. I thought someone said the state BONs limit how many hours you can legally work straight on. I am not a candidate for 18 hour days on a regular basis. Leave that for the 20 year olds!!

40 per day for on call here. 60 on weekends.

Specializes in Nephrology, Dialysis, Plasmapheresis.
40 per day for on call here. 60 on weekends.

I got $2 per hour in a smaller city, with slight chance of getting called in. In larger, metro cities, I've seen $4 an hour on average. I've seen $7 an hour on call if you can do plasmapheresis, CRRT, HD, and PD and for numerous hospitals. $2/hour may not seem like much, but after my 2 years doing it, and only getting called in after 10pm a handful of times, it was an extra couple thousand in my pocket. It also kept me home and kept me from spending money. If you work with a very busy, multi-modality program, I think you should get more then that for compensation! Just my two cents.

Specializes in ICU.

I'm job hunting and this thread offering an inside look at the field is eye opening and very much appreciated. No wonder there are always openings in acute dialysis!

I'm job hunting and this thread offering an inside look at the field is eye opening and very much appreciated. No wonder there are always openings in acute dialysis!

You're right but the money is also awesome so I'm not sure why people are so quick to leave. In a year I'll make almost 20k more than a floor nurse with the same amount of experience.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Tele, Dialysis, Hospice.
You're right but the money is also awesome so I'm not sure why people are so quick to leave. In a year I'll make almost 20k more than a floor nurse with the same amount of experience.

That is subjective, though, and depends entirely on where you live, who you work for, and what the pay structure is. For someone who makes $2/hour while on call and doesn't get called in very much and doesn't get overtime until they have worked 40 hours, the pay isn't really any better than what a floor nurse makes, and floor nurses know that when they punch out they are done and can go home and not worry about the phone ringing and getting them out of their beds in the middle of the night to go run a HD treatment for their regular hourly pay rate.

It's just not worth it to many of us, hence, as the PP stated, there are always openings in acute dialysis.

Specializes in Cardiac, Nephrology, Emergency Medicine.
Was this a problem with the other staff, though? I mentioned to a couple of my co-workers that I think no one should be on call who just worked all day and that it would be better to take call on the night of our day off, and they said that they never want to be on call on their day off, that they would rather take the beating and work 20 hours on their scheduled day if they had to. This obviously makes me a minority and since no one else would be willing to take call on their nights off, I can't either, because it would force someone else to.

The other staff were hesitant to be on call on off days, but it worked for me. It was worth it, as it was nice to be able to leave at a designated hour and know that I didn't have to sleep with one eye open after pulling a full day of work.

My supervisor made it work most weeks, so I think yours could, too, even if no one else wanted to. You might see if there is one workmate who is willing to "give it a try" for a couple months. Speaking from experience, it really alleviated a LOT of stress. I was much easier to get along with, too. :)

That is subjective, though, and depends entirely on where you live, who you work for, and what the pay structure is. For someone who makes $2/hour while on call and doesn't get called in very much and doesn't get overtime until they have worked 40 hours, the pay isn't really any better than what a floor nurse makes, and floor nurses know that when they punch out they are done and can go home and not worry about the phone ringing and getting them out of their beds in the middle of the night to go run a HD treatment for their regular hourly pay rate.

It's just not worth it to many of us, hence, as the PP stated, there are always openings in acute dialysis.

Absolutely. We were fortunate in that anything after our regular hours for the day was time and a half.

One could make a lot of money, but I preferred to go in feeling fresh and ready, rather than making bank at the expense of my sanity and my patients' well-being.

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