Ok, what's the real deal with new grads?

CNM2B201? · May 12, 2011

I don't think I'd go into a job interview talking about all of the morons in the world. Let's be real... I'm not a moron! haha

you are very immature though...immature equals NO JOB FOR YOU..which i guess would put you in the moron category

ponder this...we dont know you, see you, or hear you..but we all have the same vibe from you just based on your written words...imagine what people think who get the pleasure of your company face to face....,d

if you want the responsibility of other people's lives then you need to grow up a bit, you sound like my 15 yr old sister.

Coulter630 · May 12, 2011

Let me first start with saying, an attitude adjustment in the first step in the right direction when we're talking about seeking employment. I can also say, while you're in school and clinicals, the nurses will eat you alive if you have an attitude with them like on here. And you don't want a bad reputation. B/c it's likely that you will doing your rotations in the hospitals that are in your area.

That said, I have often wondered as well about the posts on here about not finding a job. I have also wondered if the people I know that have already graduated and not found jobs......were seriously looking or just sitting at home putting in resumes online. The truth is, you cannot expect to post something like this and get a straight answer. It all depends on where you live and which area you're looking in, your degree, some people request transcripts, etc. You're going to get mixed answers on a post like this because of these reasons.

You just have to take into consideration that not all people are the same. The one that gets up early every morning to put in resumes all day long is likely to land the job vs the one sitting at home on the computer submitting resumes waiting for that email or phone call.

ps...And I'm certainly not saying that that's what the people who can't find a job do. Some states are just not hiring like others. For example, my brother and sister in law is moving to my state simply for this reason.

future nurse1 · May 12, 2011

I think it really depends on the region you're in. In some areas the job market is extremely tight (I've heard Cali is bad) in other areas it's not so bad. Some areas prefer BSN over ADN, some don't care. I've noticed around here at least it really really helps if you're a CNA or nurse intern at the hospitals prior to graduating. Some people are pickier than others and will only apply to 1st shift positions in a hospital, and it probably takes them longer to find a job than the people that will take any shift at any facility. It really really depends on so many different factors.
The job market isn't that much better in anything else though. It just all around sucks right now for everyone. Not just nursing.
And btw just because people can't find jobs and are on here venting about it doesn't mean they're "morons" There are plenty of smart graduates who put out hundreds of applications and have great resumes and are having problems finding jobs. I know what you meant by your post but you went about it in a not so tactful way...

Fair enough. You're right. I knew my wording was going to turn this thread into a heated discussion after I posted it. But thank you for actually responding to my question. I am honestly a very nice person. I get along with everyone and I do feel for the people that come on here venting about their unsuccessful job search. It is obviously a touchy subject hence all of the negative responses I have received. It was an honest question that i've had for a while. I really could not help but wonder if there were some not so intelligent people posting on here that were giving me a not realistic picture of the new grad job market. So I have been corrected about my way of thinking. Thanks all and I do apologize to those who were so easily offended.

hotscrubs · May 12, 2011

Ok, it's kinda hot in here huh? I see what your looking for and yeah maybe bad choice of words, but I honestly don't see why everyone is so offended. I don't take it to mean I'm a moron, but I do think you are very unclear about whats going on in the nursing world, and it's ok because your not there yet. I graduated in Dec 2010, passed my boards in Jan and today was my third day on my new job on the oncology unit. I have even worked for this hospital for seven years as a secretary and it still took me four months!!! With that being said, what you need to understand is that in this economy, nobody is being lazy about finding work right outside of nursing school. People are really hustling to get a job. Those school loans come knocking in six months after graduation so I don't think anybody is sitting around watching bad t.v. eating bon bons. Because of the economy, hospitals find it financially easier to hire an experienced nurse over a new grad because of the costs to train is less for an experienced nurse. This is why new grads can't get a job. Also many hospitals are hiring BSN nurses over ADNs because in a tough economy you gotta choose the higher degree, it's only fair. I suggest you try to get a job within a facility you may want to work at as an RN. Start out as a CNA or secretary to get your foot in the door and start networking with the staff and management. The more people know who you are and how you work, the better it will be for you to find a job. My sister graduated a year before me and got her first job three months before me, but she did not have a job in a facility prior, I did, and that is why it didn't take me as much time as it took her. I spoke to the recruiter for my hospital and she told me it takes new grads about six months to find employment. Many of the jobs I applied for had over 4000 applicants applying for the same job. How can a manager decide who to interview with that many applicants? It's all about who you know. Networking is key, get a job now and show them you are a hard worker and make friends with everyone! This will really help you when you graduate. Hope this helps, good luck and stop ******* everyone off, you might need more advice later.....you WILL need more advice later, so go on and apologize and make nice. :)

juliaann · May 12, 2011

Meh. I start my ABSN in 2 weeks, and I already have a contract with a hospital for after graduation. I may not get my top pick of units (it'll depend on what's available next year), but I'll have a job.

I've been working there as a CNA and CVT for almost 4 years now. I will continue to work PRN while I'm in my program. I'm in Oklahoma.

breaktime · May 12, 2011

The definition of the word moron is: a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment. I think your behavior has demonstrated quite clearly that you are lacking in good judgment, at the very least when it comes to social interactions. Despite your attitude, I'll offer up a bit of information about my own situation.

First let me make a note to others on here, I am not trying to blow my own horn as I think IQ is overrated and a very poor measure of true intelligence, and also think others overestimate my abilities based on a few successes. That being said, I have an IQ well beyond the level considered to be genius (high enough in fact that I would wager it is higher than yours future nurse 1, as less than .1% of the world's population has a higher IQ, so I think it's a safe bet). During the course of my nursing education, I gave a podium presentation at a national nursing conference, was published (in peer reviewed publications) seven times, spoke at several regional and state conferences, and was well respected by my peers and professors. I was offered a job, personally, by the CEOs of each of the major health systems where I went to school. However, after graduating, I moved out of state for personal as well as professional reasons. (From your previous posts, I believe you are moving after finishing your education, but perhaps I am mistaken.) To my knowledge, I was the very last person in my graduating class, to be offered and accept employment. All of the things I mentioned above, counted for nothing. You know what got me the job (I know because I asked)? My answers on a survey got me the interview and my friendly attitude and willingness to learn from others that I displayed during the interview got me the job.

You've got a lot to learn, future nurse. I only hope, for the good of both you and your patients, that you learn to not be so judgmental. To put it another way, I hope in the future, you're not lacking in good judgment.

Good luck in your education, and in your future career. I say that with all sincerity.

punkydoodlesRN, BSN, RN · May 12, 2011

Thank you for your reply. I obviously didn't want answers from the people I was demeaning. I wanted answers from intelligent nurses.

Wow. Your original question was poorly worded, and borderline offensive. This was just the icing. Glad there are people here who are going to actually take the time to answer, because I sure wouldn't. It took me months to find a job, and I'm not a moron. Your statement here just proves that you knew that your words were wrong, and seems to me that you were purposefully being hateful.

I wouldn't want all of my A's to go to waste 2 years down the road when I find that there are no jobs.

A little tact will go a long ways, and all the A's in the world won't help you at interview time if you don't learn some.

If I were a hiring manager, I wouldn't be interested in you. Hope you have an attitude adjustment before school. Good luck.

future nurse1 · May 12, 2011

Let me first start with saying, an attitude adjustment in the first step in the right direction when we're talking about seeking employment. I can also say, while you're in school and clinicals, the nurses will eat you alive if you have an attitude with them like on here. And you don't want a bad reputation. B/c it's likely that you will doing your rotations in the hospitals that are in your area.
That said, I have often wondered as well about the posts on here about not finding a job. I have also wondered if the people I know that have already graduated and not found jobs......were seriously looking or just sitting at home putting in resumes online. The truth is, you cannot expect to post something like this and get a straight answer. It all depends on where you live and which area you're looking in, your degree, some people request transcripts, etc. You're going to get mixed answers on a post like this because of these reasons.
You just have to take into consideration that not all people are the same. The one that gets up early every morning to put in resumes all day long is likely to land the job vs the one sitting at home on the computer submitting resumes waiting for that email or phone call.

Look, I am just a very realistic person. I have been dying to become a nurse for God knows how long. When I come across people that are looking to get into nursing but are doing it for all of the wrong reasons I just want to give them a reality check. There are so many people in my classes who are doing nursing because it's a fast path to a good career or because they just got laid off from their job and heard that their are tons of nursing jobs. But I guess I can't worry about these people. At least I know what's going on. I know myself and what I am capable of. I will be the person that spends hours upon hours hunting for a job. And you better believe that I won't be waiting until the very last minute to start working on it. I just wanted to be reassured that those who perceiver eventually find success. It really is a let down to come on here and find day after day that new grads can't find a job. It sucks and I don't want to be in that position.

future nurse1 · May 12, 2011

Wow. Your original question was poorly worded, and borderline offensive. This was just the icing. Glad there are people here who are going to actually take the time to answer, because I sure wouldn't. It took me months to find a job, and I'm not a moron. Your statement here just proves that you knew that your words were wrong, and seems to me that you were purposefully being hateful.
If I were a hiring manager, I wouldn't be interested in you. Hope you have an attitude adjustment before school. Good luck.

Well it looks like you did take the time to leave an answer.

joanna73, BSN, RN · May 12, 2011

OP, I am also a very direct person. However, you will need to learn to be more tactful around your colleagues, patients, and strangers. Referring to nurses as morons within the same post you solicit advice is not cool. Many new grads are unemployed through no fault of their own. There are not enough jobs right now. Period. Many require 2 to 5 years experience. So as a new grad you would not be considered for many of those positions.

future nurse1 · May 12, 2011

Ok, it's kinda hot in here huh? I see what your looking for and yeah maybe bad choice of words, but I honestly don't see why everyone is so offended. I don't take it to mean I'm a moron, but I do think you are very unclear about whats going on in the nursing world, and it's ok because your not there yet. I graduated in Dec 2010, passed my boards in Jan and today was my third day on my new job on the oncology unit. I have even worked for this hospital for seven years as a secretary and it still took me four months!!! With that being said, what you need to understand is that in this economy, nobody is being lazy about finding work right outside of nursing school. People are really hustling to get a job. Those school loans come knocking in six months after graduation so I don't think anybody is sitting around watching bad t.v. eating bon bons. Because of the economy, hospitals find it financially easier to hire an experienced nurse over a new grad because of the costs to train is less for an experienced nurse. This is why new grads can't get a job. Also many hospitals are hiring BSN nurses over ADNs because in a tough economy you gotta choose the higher degree, it's only fair. I suggest you try to get a job within a facility you may want to work at as an RN. Start out as a CNA or secretary to get your foot in the door and start networking with the staff and management. The more people know who you are and how you work, the better it will be for you to find a job. My sister graduated a year before me and got her first job three months before me, but she did not have a job in a facility prior, I did, and that is why it didn't take me as much time as it took her. I spoke to the recruiter for my hospital and she told me it takes new grads about six months to find employment. Many of the jobs I applied for had over 4000 applicants applying for the same job. How can a manager decide who to interview with that many applicants? It's all about who you know. Networking is key, get a job now and show them you are a hard worker and make friends with everyone! This will really help you when you graduate. Hope this helps, good luck and stop ******* everyone off, you might need more advice later.....you WILL need more advice later, so go on and apologize and make nice. :)

Haha thanks a bunch. I was thinking about becoming a CNA before I even started with my prereqs and nursing but an advisor told me that if I really wanted to become a nurse then I should just get a move on it. I will definitely try to volunteer or get a secretary job somewhere. I was actually looking into that this morning. I really appreciate your advice. :)

CalidthreeN · May 12, 2011

Thank you for your reply. I obviously didn't want answers from the people I was demeaning. I wanted answers from intelligent nurses.

Well regardless of whom you are seeking info from, you should first get your degree and pass the NCLEX before you refer to any nurse as a "moron".