"Pit to distress..." (Rant)

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I'm gonna try to make a very long story short...

I had the chief resident today give me an a** chewing because I had turned off the Pitocin of a pt who had persistent episodes of hyperstimulation. I had only turned it down a few minutes before he came in, so I had not informed him of this. He asked why I turned it off, and I showed him on the strip the pts ctx pattern. He looked at it and said, "Well, there's no fetal distress." I told him I understood that, but the pts uterus was not getting any rest between ctx. He then proceeds to tell me, "You need to call me before you do anything like this again, this is my pt." It took everything I had to keep from saying, "No, she isn't your pt, she's our pt, and it is my license on the line should something happen at your wanting to misuse the Pit." I didn't say anything though. So, I restarted the Pit, but only after I saw the pt had resting tone, and I started from the beginning, 2mu/min. She handled that okay, but when I got up to 6mu/min, she started having the ctx one on top of the other again. I pointed this out to the resident and he said, "Keep upping the Pit until there is distress, then you can back down on it." OMG, my tongue was almost bleeding by this time! Well, lucky for me, but not for the RN who followed me, this was right at change of shift, so I'm not the one having to deal with the aftermath. Which hopefully, there won't be one.

You know, I know I am new to this whole L&D experience, but when I have my preceptor and my RN educator agreeing with the actions I took, I can't help but think my actions weren't that far fetched.

I'm sure I left tons out, but I think I covered what I wanted to.

Thanks for letting me rant!

Lord, so glad I dont' work in a teaching hospital. I avoided it due to things like this. Yes, residents NEED to learn, but many are very stubborn in their newness and ignorance, and nurses are NOT allowed to manage their patients. Like pointed out, I thought that WAS nursing's job. I feel for you who work in situations like this.

That's exactly WHY I have stayed away from a teaching facility, although there are definite advantages to being in a larger facility.

We have residents all the time get upset with the nurses for 'managing' the patient :) (last I checked this was our job). We have tried the thing where we say 'if you want to up it you will have to do it yourself.' There have actually been times when they have upped the pit themselves on a non-reassuring strip/hyperstimmed uterus! Problem is, they don't know how to work the pumps, and they don't stay in the room after they up it. So then who's responsibility does that patient become when they up the pit and leave the room???[/quote']

FIRST, I would make sure YOU chart what they have done: to cover yourself. Then, you need to go up the chain of command, reporting them to their attending. Then, if it is your patient, I would go back in and adjust the pit down to a safe level (or off as the case may be)..

It is stories like the one posted by OP that made me refuse a transfer to a teaching hospital when I was pregnant and experiencing complications. Fortunately, my OB, our ped and a few other doctors had time to put together an emergency plan and all felt competent to deal w/ worse case senarios. I just did not want someone learning on my soon to be newborn!! The downside was that he would have had to be transferred across town to the Children's hospital should he need a vent. (long story short.)

DH and I held our ground w/ this. We both have experience w/ medicine and medical community and agree that yes, people need to learn, but just were not comfortable having them learn in this situation.

And, it is stories as w/ OP that I insist whenever a friend or family member is hospitalized - someone stay with them - just to make sure things are going as they should be... not all nurses are as vigilent as OP.

You cannot up the pitocin when there is hyperstim....regardless. If the doc wants to give you any lip, look up use of Pitocin in your policy and procedure manual and show him the policy. No doubt it says that once contractions are every 2 minutes you do not increase the Pitocin, regardless if there is fetal distress or not. If anything happened to that baby as a result of fetal distress, you would be held liable for misuse of Pitocin. That doc is definitely wrong, you cannot wait until the fetus had distress to back the Pitocin down. Tell that to the mother when her baby has hearts in the toilet! It takes a while to be able to stand up to the docs when you know you are right and they are wrong. if you do not feel comfortable doing this, ask your charge nurse to handle the situation. Remember, as a nurse you have to protect the patient so if you carry out orders that you know could result in harm to the patient you are just as liable as the doc who orders it.

What ever happened to this patient? what was the outcome?

I'm gonna try to make a very long story short...

I had the chief resident today give me an a** chewing because I had turned off the Pitocin of a pt who had persistent episodes of hyperstimulation. I had only turned it down a few minutes before he came in, so I had not informed him of this. He asked why I turned it off, and I showed him on the strip the pts ctx pattern. He looked at it and said, "Well, there's no fetal distress." I told him I understood that, but the pts uterus was not getting any rest between ctx. He then proceeds to tell me, "You need to call me before you do anything like this again, this is my pt." It took everything I had to keep from saying, "No, she isn't your pt, she's our pt, and it is my license on the line should something happen at your wanting to misuse the Pit." I didn't say anything though. So, I restarted the Pit, but only after I saw the pt had resting tone, and I started from the beginning, 2mu/min. She handled that okay, but when I got up to 6mu/min, she started having the ctx one on top of the other again. I pointed this out to the resident and he said, "Keep upping the Pit until there is distress, then you can back down on it." OMG, my tongue was almost bleeding by this time! Well, lucky for me, but not for the RN who followed me, this was right at change of shift, so I'm not the one having to deal with the aftermath. Which hopefully, there won't be one.

You know, I know I am new to this whole L&D experience, but when I have my preceptor and my RN educator agreeing with the actions I took, I can't help but think my actions weren't that far fetched.

I'm sure I left tons out, but I think I covered what I wanted to.

Thanks for letting me rant!

Lord, so glad I dont' work in a teaching hospital. I avoided it due to things like this. Yes, residents NEED to learn, but many are very stubborn in their newness and ignorance, and nurses are NOT allowed to manage their patients. Like pointed out, I thought that WAS nursing's job. I feel for you who work in situations like this.

I actually prefer teaching hospitals because you can just go over the resident's head to the attending if you feel strongly about something. Working in a non-teaching hospital there is no one else to go to if the doc is an a$$. Seen a lot of problems with that!

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It depends on the hospital ferg. There is ONE I know of where "going over their heads" is like pulling hen's teeth. And I have just as much backup where I work as I would in a teaching hospital. My supervisors are VERY strong and will back us up as needed. As will the Chief of OB.

It depends on the hospital ferg. There is ONE I know of where "going over their heads" is like pulling hen's teeth. And I have just as much backup where I work as I would in a teaching hospital. My supervisors are VERY strong and will back us up as needed. As will the Chief of OB.

Hen's have teeth? :chuckle

I've never had a doc "pit to distress" . . .the nurses usually manage the laboring woman.

I've been a nurse for 6 1/2 years at a rural hospital . .. . I'd probably never last at a big hospital although my supervisor today said rural nursing makes you well-rounded because you are flexible and do many jobs. I work ER, OB, med-surg, post-op, pre-op, I'm the baby nurse in cesareans, etc. I'd be scared though . . . I sometimes feel like I know a little about alot.

Having a resident to answer to . . . that would be weird.

steph

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Hen's have teeth? :chuckle

steph

Yea that would be my point, rofl, Steph.

How ARE you? have not seen you around in a couple days...

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And yes, rural nursing DOES make you well-rounded....it presents its own amazingly unique challenges, that much I know.

Kev said it. I will NOT ever turn up or leave pit on when it's clear hyperstim or distress are happening. Hyperstim to distress is opening yourself up to a non-defensible and vulnerable position. Not to mention how would you feel if you caused a poor outcome? I could not sleep at night, myself.

We have a doc here that says it is not hyperstim, unless there is fetal distress to go along with the all too frequent ctxs!!! Not in my book. He's been upset with me several times. S***s to be him.

I actually prefer teaching hospitals because you can just go over the resident's head to the attending if you feel strongly about something. Working in a non-teaching hospital there is no one else to go to if the doc is an a$$. Seen a lot of problems with that!

You can always go OVER the docs head to the chief of OB or to the chief of the medical staff. :chuckle

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You can always go OVER the docs head to the chief of OB or to the chief of the medical staff. :chuckle
which is easy enough to do in our hospital.
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