NYP- Cornell or Columbia??

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Hey everyone, I was just wondering, besides location, what are the main differences between NYP cornell and NYP Columbia??? Is one better known, or a better place to work?? Thanks in advance!

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I currently work at HSS in their Perioperative Nurse Residency Program. Let me be the one to tell you, it still needs plenty work. Every person that interviewed us from HR straight up to VP of Perioperative Services, has either left of has been fired. And I've only been there 5 months, going on 6. Program supposed to end August 25th. As of Sept. 5th, we are supposed to be on our own. I really don't know much about their critical care program, but your patients won't be that critical, since HSS does not take "critical" patients. It's an elective surgery hospital, which doesn't take that many insurance carriers.

I wish you the best of luck in your interview.

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I currently work at HSS in their Perioperative Nurse Residency Program. Let me be the one to tell you, it still needs plenty work. Every person that interviewed us from HR straight up to VP of Perioperative Services, has either left of has been fired. And I've only been there 5 months, going on 6. Program supposed to end August 25th. As of Sept. 5th, we are supposed to be on our own. I really don't know much about their critical care program, but your patients won't be that critical, since HSS does not take "critical" patients. It's an elective surgery hospital, which doesn't take that many insurance carriers.

I wish you the best of luck in your interview.

WOW!--Thanks for the intelligence--and from another Brooklynite!--perhaps we'll get the 4/5 train together if I work there. I had wondered how truly Critical the training could be since it's mostly elective and patients with healing fractures probably don't need extensive ventilator/cardiac/emergent care...If you have a chance to provide any additional info such as what has been discussed on here recently---e.g., does Magnet Status mean anything?, do you get a Pension?, is there a Union?, I'd greatly appreciate it...if you'd prefer to PM or e-mail, that's great, too, and maybe we could compare notes w/our fellow Bklynite who's starting there soon....Thanks.

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wow is right!!!!! LOL. I understand what you mean about the critical care - and the elective surgeries. However - not many city hospitals offer this at all!! and six months is a lot of support. nyforlove - good luck on your interview. the HR rep is a lovely woman.

Sometimes when there is new management that is trying to make big improvements, this is an unfortunate step that needs to be taken. HSS is opening an entire new critical care unit so they have a lot of changes coming up. In terms of "Critical" patients.....anesthesia/post-op (especially osteo) is always serious! there is still much to be learned, especially for the new graduate.

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wow is right!!!!! LOL. I understand what you mean about the critical care - and the elective surgeries. A resident there informed me himself to look elsewhere if I was interested in comorbidities and such. However, I spoke to the instructor in the PACU for a solid hour about the residency program. She is extremely intellegent (or at least comes accross that way) and excited about teaching, which was very important to me. Apparantly after their CC classroom orientation, you will be well prepared to take the CCRN. I am sure they have a lot of work to be done, as this is only their second residency program. However - not many city hospitals offer this at all!! and six months is a lot of support. Do you like the environment and people in general??? nyforlove - good luck on your interview. the HR rep is a lovely woman. You know, they may not be a perfect hospital, but the PEOPLE are wayyyy nicer than any hospital i've interviewed at!

by the way -- mabye the reason many people have been fired is because they are going in for an award (i forgot the name) that is distributed by the president for "best company to work for" for being most financially stable, etc. Sometimes when there is new management that is trying to make big improvements, this is an unfortunate step that needs to be taken. HSS is opening an entire new critical care unit so they have a lot of changes coming up. In terms of "Critical" patients.....anesthesia/post-op (especially osteo) is always serious! there is still much to be learned, especially for the new graduate.

The other good thing about "elective" srugeries is the fact that (at least in the PACU) - there is basically no weekend work. I was told I was only on call for one saturday a month!!! Also, I am starting on days! This is a huge difference from Lenox Hill, who demanded 3 weekends per month (!!) and night shifts. There is also NO union. But you get paid time and 1/2 for any overtime or holidays - and was told that straight out by my manager with no reservations. There are many great benefits including a choice of 2 health insurance carriers (oxford and BCBS), an employee pension plan, 12 holidays, 12 sick days, 4 weeks vacation, tuition assistance. not too shabby:)

Great--thanks for all that! It's super that we have this forum to share info...will be in touch. Hitting the sack now ...zzzzz.......

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WOW!--Thanks for the intelligence--and from another Brooklynite!--perhaps we'll get the 4/5 train together if I work there. I had wondered how truly Critical the training could be since it's mostly elective and patients with healing fractures probably don't need extensive ventilator/cardiac/emergent care...If you have a chance to provide any additional info such as what has been discussed on here recently---e.g., does Magnet Status mean anything?, do you get a Pension?, is there a Union?, I'd greatly appreciate it...if you'd prefer to PM or e-mail, that's great, too, and maybe we could compare notes w/our fellow Bklynite who's starting there soon....Thanks.

I actually drove to work (past tense cause today, 8/11, was my last day). I really could not take being a glorified gofer and I missed ICU, so I'm going back to that. I would like to know who they paid to get their magnet status, cause the nurses there (at least in the OR) are not happy at all. I believe there is pension, but there is no union.

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wow is right!!!!! LOL. I understand what you mean about the critical care - and the elective surgeries. A resident there informed me himself to look elsewhere if I was interested in comorbidities and such. However, I spoke to the instructor in the PACU for a solid hour about the residency program. She is extremely intellegent (or at least comes accross that way) and excited about teaching, which was very important to me. Apparantly after their CC classroom orientation, you will be well prepared to take the CCRN. I am sure they have a lot of work to be done, as this is only their second residency program. However - not many city hospitals offer this at all!! and six months is a lot of support. Do you like the environment and people in general??? nyforlove - good luck on your interview. the HR rep is a lovely woman. You know, they may not be a perfect hospital, but the PEOPLE are wayyyy nicer than any hospital i've interviewed at!

by the way -- mabye the reason many people have been fired is because they are going in for an award (i forgot the name) that is distributed by the president for "best company to work for" for being most financially stable, etc. Sometimes when there is new management that is trying to make big improvements, this is an unfortunate step that needs to be taken. HSS is opening an entire new critical care unit so they have a lot of changes coming up. In terms of "Critical" patients.....anesthesia/post-op (especially osteo) is always serious! there is still much to be learned, especially for the new graduate.

The other good thing about "elective" srugeries is the fact that (at least in the PACU) - there is basically no weekend work. I was told I was only on call for one saturday a month!!! Also, I am starting on days! This is a huge difference from Lenox Hill, who demanded 3 weekends per month (!!) and night shifts. There is also NO union. But you get paid time and 1/2 for any overtime or holidays - and was told that straight out by my manager with no reservations. There are many great benefits including a choice of 2 health insurance carriers (oxford and BCBS), an employee pension plan, 12 holidays, 12 sick days, 4 weeks vacation, tuition assistance. not too shabby:)

I don't know how true the "no weekend" thing is for the PACU, cause HSS is forever performing too many surgeries for the space they have. For example, today (and usually every Thursday and Friday), after a surgery, you call PACU to tell them you're on the way and like clockwork, they tell you you're on hold and they'll call when they have space. As for the benefits....Oxford is $25 copay for your PCP and $40 for a specialist.....BCBS is $30 either way. You pay for all your benefits. Tuition assistance was ok, although I've seen better elsewhere.

I don't know how they expect to achieve any type of award if they keep changing up so many times.

For the most part, the people were very nice to work with, I'll admit. CCRN after their classroom orientation...I think not!! Like I said before, their patients are not sick!! North Shore University Hosp and LIJ in Long Island has a Critical Care Fellowship Program, which I went through and I found it was excellent. They place you in either the MICU, SICU, Neuro ICU, Cardiothoracic ICU, or CCU. I would check them out before going to HSS's prorgram.

Good Luck.

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thank you o much for all this information.

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I don't know how true the "no weekend" thing is for the PACU, cause HSS is forever performing too many surgeries for the space they have. For example, today (and usually every Thursday and Friday), after a surgery, you call PACU to tell them you're on the way and like clockwork, they tell you you're on hold and they'll call when they have space. As for the benefits....Oxford is $25 copay for your PCP and $40 for a specialist.....BCBS is $30 either way. You pay for all your benefits. Tuition assistance was ok, although I've seen better elsewhere.

I don't know how they expect to achieve any type of award if they keep changing up so many times.

For the most part, the people were very nice to work with, I'll admit. CCRN after their classroom orientation...I think not!! Like I said before, their patients are not sick!! North Shore University Hosp and LIJ in Long Island has a Critical Care Fellowship Program, which I went through and I found it was excellent. They place you in either the MICU, SICU, Neuro ICU, Cardiothoracic ICU, or CCU. I would check them out before going to HSS's prorgram.

Good Luck.

Thanks! Good luck at your new job--let us know how it goes!

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thank you o much for all this information. i really appreciate it. I am due to start in september but im honestly having my doubts. I ultimately want the ICU. Do you think I should work here for a year even? or will the orthopaedic focus be a poor thing? I was thinking PACU experience would really get my foot in the door and then i can go to icu..............

No problem. PACU isn't bad as a stepping stone to ICU, but I think the ortho focus may hurt you and on top of that, these patients are NOT critical like the patients u typically see in the ICU. Most patients don't even stay more than night, and if they do it's only for one night to watch for sleep apnea or something like that. I think HSS is as good place to go to once you've gained well-rounded experience elsewhere, whether you're going to the floor, the OR or the PACU. I had to learn the hard way.

I wish you all the best. Let me know how it turns out.

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Thanks! Good luck at your new job--let us know how it goes!

Thank you. Will do!! New job is at a city hospital, NYSNA union, in the MICU. Can't wait to start next Monday. Will let you know how it goes.

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I actually drove to work (past tense cause today, 8/11, was my last day). I really could not take being a glorified gofer and I missed ICU, so I'm going back to that. I would like to know who they paid to get their magnet status, cause the nurses there (at least in the OR) are not happy at all. I believe there is pension, but there is no union.

Not a nice thing to say. HSS earned ther Magnet Status. The OR is not for everyone. HSS has the best and the most dedicated OR nurses. They maybe overworked because of the nursing shortage and the growth of the hospital. It is not right to stay in program just to get paid as you wait for your new job to come though. It shows a very bad character. I wouldnt trust you in the ICU. You wasted the hospital money and made fools out of the nurses who tried to train you. Then you complain on a public forum. SHAME ON YOU

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Not a nice thing to say. HSS earned ther Magnet Status. The OR is not for everyone. HSS has the best and the most dedicated OR nurses. They maybe overworked because of the nursing shortage and the growth of the hospital. It is not right to stay in program just to get paid as you wait for your new job to come though. It shows a very bad character. I wouldnt trust you in the ICU. You wasted the hospital money and made fools out of the nurses who tried to train you. Then you complain on a public forum. SHAME ON YOU

I never said that the nurses were not dedicated at HSS. There are indeed a few that are truly dedicated to their jobs. However, anyone with any kind of intuition and sixth sense can feel the tension and sense the frustration the nurses are going through there. If Magnet status is based on nurses' job satisfaction, then either (1) the great people at ANCC apparently did not survey the nurses in the OR or (2) the people lied about their happiness there. I'll be the first to say they are indeed overworked and underappreciated. On that note, it doesn't give nurses there a right to take their frustrations out on the new nurses coming in (then people wonder why they can't keep people there).

Oh and by the way, you do not know what I went through my last few weeks there, so do not tell me about bad character, when the great HSS can do whatever the h*** they want. I try my best to be as professional when I'm in a position and whenever I'm leaving a position. But sometimes, some employers truly leave you no choice. You mention staying in a job and getting paid til the new job comes through.....people do it every day, not me alone, several other people at that hospital and everywhere else. I'm not the first and I certainly won't be the last. What's good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.

Just had to let that out!!

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