NYP- Cornell or Columbia??

U.S.A. New York

Published

Hey everyone, I was just wondering, besides location, what are the main differences between NYP cornell and NYP Columbia??? Is one better known, or a better place to work?? Thanks in advance!

Specializes in ICU, Cardiac Cath/EPS Labs.
I agree with everything that Caroladybelle said.

Basically, I find a total lack of professionalism in the union facilities, not to say that there are not individuals there who make a difference and try to, it's just that I see more of the former camp than the latter. I think the union's presence creates this "You can't tell me what to do" mentality, and people stop doing their work...and not just the nurses, but the aides, clerks, social workers, etc. Then you have an entire hospital like that and nobody is ever held accountable for what they should be doing, I think in part due to a combination of apathy and fear of what the union will do if you try to document someone's lack of performance.

Ugh--sounds horrible and confims my worst fears re: a union environment--just shocked to see that apparently the union hospitals can pay the same AND offer a significant, free (i.e., non-contributory) pension...Non-Unionized hospitals, such as Memorial Sloan-Kettering and NYU (I believe) have zilch for an employer-paid pension...that's a major difference...and I hear City-owned hospitals (w/the NYSNA and/or SEUI 1199) have an even better pension.....

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in post surgical, tele, icu.

if unions refuse to do anything about nurses who won't do their jobs, couldn't one notify the state board of nursing? notifying local news programs might get someone to take action as well

Up Vote Up Vote ×

I know this is off-union topic but I will start my orientation in Columbia on aug 14th. so far I have filled out all the NYSNA paper-work but i will not find out details as to health ins., pension, etc until my first day of orientation. I don't know how one can be unionized and one not when its under the same NYP name, but I was going to take a diff offer from Sloan Kettering and everyone was telling me to consider the diff. that Sloan may pay more annually than Columbia, but that they weren't union. I decided to go with Columbia although it has nothing to do with the union/non-union debate. As far as working there goes, I have yet to start but I just went there and filled out an application, and was hired. I don't even know how to get around the building or where anything is. I guess in due time I will learn all of that, but I'll give updates periodically as to how it's going.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in post surgical, tele, icu.

by diff do you mean shift differential? I had a call from Sloan Kettering, but I'd already taken a job locally. Do you know what their base salary is?

I never heard from NYP, so I don't know if I should try again in the future.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
by diff do you mean shift differential? I had a call from Sloan Kettering, but I'd already taken a job locally. Do you know what their base salary is?

I never heard from NYP, so I don't know if I should try again in the future.

I was very persistent with NYP. I meant different like columbia's base is 64,900 and Sloan is 65,750. not that big of a difference but it's more either way you look at it. I'm trying to figure out how long my orientation will be. does anyone know?

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ICU, Cardiac Cath/EPS Labs.
I know this is off-union topic but I will start my orientation in Columbia on aug 14th. so far I have filled out all the NYSNA paper-work but i will not find out details as to health ins., pension, etc until my first day of orientation. I don't know how one can be unionized and one not when its under the same NYP name, but I was going to take a diff offer from Sloan Kettering and everyone was telling me to consider the diff. that Sloan may pay more annually than Columbia, but that they weren't union. I decided to go with Columbia although it has nothing to do with the union/non-union debate. As far as working there goes, I have yet to start but I just went there and filled out an application, and was hired. I don't even know how to get around the building or where anything is. I guess in due time I will learn all of that, but I'll give updates periodically as to how it's going.

I believe the reason that only one of the 2 is Unionized has to do with the fact that the hospitals previously were 2 separate entities that were later combined under the same legal entity...There may in fact be an effort to Unionize the non-union hospital and/or an effort to de-certify the Union hospital so that it becomes non-union or obtains representation by a different Union....It'll be interesting to see what your pension benefit consists of...If it's true that Columbia (the Union-hospital) has a Pension and Sloan-Kettering does NOT, then the small difference in base salary (around $1,000 PLUS the Union dues you must pay) would probably be a small difference indeed....also depends on how long you plan on staying there (i.e., how much money and "vesting rights" you accrue in the Pension) and what the annual raises are...I believe the Lenox Hill Union actually posts the salary scale for subsequent years on its web site, e.g., a 2-yr. nurse, a 3-yr. nurse, and so on...Thanks to allnurses.com, we can compare and contrast....My nursing school certainly provided no info on this stuff...Let us know how it goes....Good Luck!

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ICU, Cardiac Cath/EPS Labs.
by diff do you mean shift differential? I had a call from Sloan Kettering, but I'd already taken a job locally. Do you know what their base salary is?

I never heard from NYP, so I don't know if I should try again in the future.

Yes, NYPresby is not very responsive--even when they say they're interested, but that's worked to my benefit (no pun intended) as I'm discovering that other hospitals may provide the Pension that NYPres apparently does not...Sloan-Kettering seems unorganized in their recruiting...they hire a NON-employee/per diem Nurse Recruiter (who isn't even an RN or LPN) to handle new grad hires--seems strange--wouldn't you want your hospital represented by a person who is a permanent employee and actually has some allegiance to the place???...All I can say is: Thank god this is a "nurse's market"--as soon as we get a year or two of work experience under our belt (and assuming the demand for nurses remains the same), we should have no problem moving to the hospital of our choice...let's all keep in touch--and as I suggested on another thread--we can meet an an Upper East Side bar for happy hour after shift one night (or morning--as we'll probably be stuck doing the night shift--but I'll take the $5,000+ shift differential;) )

Up Vote Up Vote ×

Columbia is very VERY fast paced. The kids are very sick and its very busy, I think Cornell is a little easier and a more pleasant environment.

I have not worked at either, but know people that work their.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Columbia is very VERY fast paced. The kids are very sick and its very busy, I think Cornell is a little easier and a more pleasant environment.

I have not worked at either, but know people that work their.

I start on monday at Columbia Pres. in peds. They said the orientation is 1.5 week in the hospital, then 6 weeks on the unit. They haven't told me what my uniform is yet and they explained to me that they do not offer subsidized housing but they can give me the broker's number and he only charges $200 above the rent and has some very good buildings. Hmmmm maybe I'll just stay in staten island if that's the case. I dont' want to spend 2k to to live there just yet. I'm nervous all of a sudden! The hospital is huge and I don't even know where the cafeteria is or the secrets to getting around....i'm sure I'll learn in time but I know NOT one person that works there.

About the bar...I'm ready to meet up anytime!!!

Good suggestion!

oh and about the nurse recruiters at Sloan, they said I had the job, they were just waiting for an interview from the person on the floor. It's been 3 months and I haven't heard back from the recruiter.... and the lady who recruited me at columbia left to get a job at a diff. hospital, so maybe she'll be at yours!

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ICU, Cardiac Cath/EPS Labs.

oh and about the nurse recruiters at Sloan, they said I had the job, they were just waiting for an interview from the person on the floor. It's been 3 months and I haven't heard back from the recruiter.... and the lady who recruited me at columbia left to get a job at a diff. hospital, so maybe she'll be at yours!

That's funny...when Sloan-Kettering calls, tell them you're at Columbia/Presb and are getting a Pension;) Don't be nervous--I'm sure there'll be a number of new grads starting together and they will likely start by giving you a detail and map (if not an actual tour) of the hospital (cafeteria, personnel office, etc.)...Keep us posted and good luck!

Up Vote Up Vote ×

Talking about bar-mates......anyone looking for a roomate. I wasn't planning on living in the city, but now that i'm working as a secretary in columbia-pres (until i start nursing at HSS in september).....and commuting from brookyn....It's SO tiring! I literally spend four hours a day on the train or walking through sweaty tunnels. i grew up in new york so i should be used to it, but instead im just tired of it. i can't even imagine myself after a 12 hr shift! i started looking at 2 bedroom apt's. dont get me wrong, im used to living alone at this point. I wouldn't mind saving a grand a month, especially if you live with the right people. it could end up being a blast.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ICU, Cardiac Cath/EPS Labs.
Talking about bar-mates......anyone looking for a roomate. I wasn't planning on living in the city, but now that i'm working as a secretary in columbia-pres (until i start nursing at HSS in september).....and commuting from brookyn....It's SO tiring! I literally spend four hours a day on the train or walking through sweaty tunnels. i grew up in new york so i should be used to it, but instead im just tired of it. i can't even imagine myself after a 12 hr shift! i started looking at 2 bedroom apt's. dont get me wrong, im used to living alone at this point. I wouldn't mind saving a grand a month, especially if you live with the right people. it could end up being a blast.

I'll keep my ear out for anyone looking for a roommate....I have an interview at HSS for an "inpatient" position--not sure what that means, but this will be just an "exploratory" interview to see what's available, because it'll be too late to start one of their highly-regarded training programs--OR and Critical Care/PACU...If you get a chance, please PM me or e-mail me at [email protected] and we can speak about HSS...who knows, we may be workmates....BTW, I'd be commuting from Bklyn Heights, which is not that bad--assuming you can squeeze onto the 4 or 5 train at Borough Hall :uhoh3: In any event, HSS should be a much better commute for you than 180th & B'way, no?

Up Vote Up Vote ×
+ Add a Comment