Nybon Nursing School Under Investigation

I finished my LPN-RN program from Carleen Health Institute. I took the NCLEX under New York state board and passed the exam. I'd been waiting on the license a couple of weeks and decided to call NYbon, was told the school is under review - hence they would not be issuing any licenses till the review is done. They also wouldn't give a time frame. Does anyone have any idea how long these reviews usually take or what could be done in situations like this?

I am not in a  nusing application processing status as a student but more so the adminstrative side  processing of said applications.

and know that we have several thousand emails some as old as June of 2022 that we are still in the process of responding to it is hard. now I am not saying I don''t understand your frustration.  but thorough  reviews of things takes time.. as far as the school being approved for you to take that test it may have been then  but we as the board or any board have to look at the status of a school in present day time  of when an appliction is being processed or a score is being recieved

 

Dear Star 2022,

I am astonished that I got to find answers in a public chat from someone in  administrative side of the NY BON.

Since I havent been unable to get this information anywhere in an official manner, Would you be able to guide us here on what to do next?

NO JOKES OR PUNS ALLOWED said:

FTFW. 

You can set up automatic emails to go out daily to the school and NY BON until they get an answer. Call several times a week, and be a nuisance to both ends. It at least will expedite you to the next step, even if it doesn't provide an answer.

constantly calling  or emialing the NYS BON will not edpidite any thing

UnitedNurse23 said:

Dear Star 2022,

I am astonished that I got to find answers in a public chat from someone in  administrative side of the NY BON.

Since I havent been unable to get this information anywhere in an official manner, Would you be able to guide us here on what to do next?

while my answers are accurate I am on here in a non-professional capacity. so what information I am giving is just letting people know what is going on but I am not privy to time frames of how long things will take

I am actually surprised to receive some information, even if it is on a non professional capacity. As I havent received any information at all.

And I repeat my question:

What do you recommend to do ? In a non professional capacity...

starr2022 said:

the reason why NYS is taking such precaustions is becuase it is important that those having professional licenses to take care of someone has the proper training  and education. It may be frustarting for a state to take such precaustions put place to  blame is FLorida BON for not ensuring all their states schools are complying not just on a state level but on a national level and the people running these schools who were  so money hungry that they decided to do fraudulent things. 

so now NYS has decided that we will only accept a nursing school if florida DOH has a school listed as being Accreddited( national compliance). If the school is listed as just being  Approved( only good for the state it is located in).

I also feel as though if other states didn't give a limited amout of times to take the test people wouldn't have to come to NYS that has unlimited test taking just to get a license to endorse it back to the state they want to actually work in

This is sad news for those of us who are waiting in limbo having pased the NCLEX already. Most of us are from schools that are on the approved list. Does that mean that NYBON will not accept our educations and it's only a matter of time before they give us notice saying so or is this for new applications going forward? When I submitted my application back in 2020, my school was on the approved list. As of now, the program is closed but long after I graduated. Will NYBON take also take this into consideration? NYBON should try to do more for those that passed already as priority. I am continuing to pray for a positive outcome.

UnitedNurse23 said:

@starr2022

I don't know in which part of the RN license process  you are in right now,just want to clarify...

I decided to ignore her comment.  unitednurse23 do what you have to do to get your license back. 

I have contacted a friend that is a media reporter and shared our experience, they liked the idea of elaborating an article showing the affect of the scam on "Real" Nurses and the struggle that they are facing. He also mentioned to gather nurses to make a representation stronger.

Please share your thoughts and experiences so far as we should unite for this cause.

Specializes in oncology.
UnitedNurse23 said:

I have contacted a friend that is a media reporter and shared our experience,

Your view point needs to be so available that it is "screeching"  with what has happened to you.  Florida is a state that favors Business owners that proposed to teach our future Health care students  to be RN students to with online learning  and faculty help when available.    These schools  have business owners (neither qualified or unqualified) to teach nursing.  The student needs to be able  to teach themselves, complete  a couple online tests along the way (may be open book or sources)  just gotta get through the tests to be approved for the Exit exam. 

Please stress that an EXIT Exam  is required for these Florida  schools  and if a student doesn't pass they cannot move forward. They are not eligible for graduation. I believe a school only employs the EXIT exam to keep their NCLEX numbers up. 

 In Florida : This is a MOST important for delaying these  students from taking the NCLEX.   The FBON stats for passing or failing only count for those that took the NCLEX  in the first 6 months after graduation. And if those were their star students?

Paul Hosty said:

I decided to ignore her comment.  unitednurse23 do what you have to do to get your license back.

I am being honest on whats going on. if you don't like that then say that. like I have stated before a school being "Approved" is on for that state it is located in . NYS BON is looking to accept schools that are " Accredited " which mean good on a National level. this was a decision they made because of the 28 schools they have under review 26 of them are from florida and would rather take a careful review of all Florida schools because of this.

There is a problem here in that the individuals saying their school was "Approved" do not seem to understand the difference between "Approved" and "Accredited". They are two very distinct designations.

"Approved" schools are typically only approved by the state they operate in - which is why Missouri and Louisiana were known as diploma mills for so many years. (Lots of "approved" schools set up in home offices, for example.) Essentially, "approval" means nothing beyond the state's boundaries without national accreditation by a recognized accreditation body. Often, it simply means that they paid the business licensing fees for setting up a business - and not much more. Unfortunately, "approved" schools are typically proprietary schools who slap that name on their program to bring in more customers.

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs would be accepted at a national level. This involves not only the quality of the programs but the faculty qualifications, the school's financial stability, number of graduates who find work in the field after graduation, and more. It is time-consuming and not inexpensive for a school to take these steps - BUT - it ensures that the school's graduates do not go through what many of you are now experiencing.

In other words, your school's "Approval" from Florida doesn't mean much unless you plan on only working in Florida. It also means you will have a very difficult time transferring to regionally-accredited universities for a BSN or higher degree - since they will typically only accept regionally-accredited school's transfer credits. It will particularly be a problem even if you do get licensed in NY since NY has a "BSN-in-10" regulation that says that RNs must earn a BSN within 10 years of initial licensure.

BTW, a school is also only placed on probationary status after at least three years (I believe) of low NCLEX pass rates of its graduates. If the NCLEX scores are terribly low, then it understandably calls the quality of the entire program into question - even if some students do successfully complete the NCLEX. Which is why the NY BON is now reviewing the schools as a whole and, I am guessing, withholding licenses until that review is complete.

I do wish you all the best of luck - however, saying your school was "approved" simply doesn't mean much outside of the state it is located in.

Idealista said:

There is a problem here in that the individuals saying their school was "Approved" do not seem to understand the difference between "Approved" and "Accredited". They are two very distinct designations.

"Approved" schools are typically only approved by the state they operate in - which is why Missouri and Louisiana were known as diploma mills for so many years. (Lots of "approved" schools set up in home offices, for example.) Essentially, "approval" means nothing beyond the state's boundaries without national accreditation by a recognized accreditation body. Often, it simply means that they paid the business licensing fees for setting up a business - and not much more. Unfortunately, "approved" schools are typically proprietary schools who slap that name on their program to bring in more customers.

"Accredited" means that the school took the additional steps to ensure that their programs would be accepted at a national level. This involves not only the quality of the programs but the faculty qualifications, the school's financial stability, number of graduates who find work in the field after graduation, and more. It is time-consuming and not inexpensive for a school to take these steps - BUT - it ensures that the school's graduates do not go through what many of you are now experiencing.

In other words, your school's "Approval" from Florida doesn't mean much unless you plan on only working in Florida. It also means you will have a very difficult time transferring to regionally-accredited universities for a BSN or higher degree - since they will typically only accept regionally-accredited school's transfer credits. It will particularly be a problem even if you do get licensed in NY since NY has a "BSN-in-10" regulation that says that RNs must earn a BSN within 10 years of initial licensure.

BTW, a school is also only placed on probationary status after at least three years (I believe) of low NCLEX pass rates of its graduates. If the NCLEX scores are terribly low, then it understandably calls the quality of the entire program into question - even if some students do successfully complete the NCLEX. Which is why the NY BON is now reviewing the schools as a whole and, I am guessing, withholding licenses until that review is complete.

I do wish you all the best of luck - however, saying your school was "approved" simply doesn't mean much outside of the state it is located in.

I have to agree, this is very true. ALSO what @starr2022 said. People need to understand the difference and not take there angry out on people stating the truth. Direct angry to the board. It is important to look into the school your attending before it cause u long term stress. Getting a license in one state dosent mean NYBON will grant you one since they have put a new law in place; and too many people living in NY going to these out of state schools raising a red flag. Be gland its on hold and have they taken back license like other states. What good is it to have a license with NYBON to later being revoked. They are still deciding what to do with the schools that did fraud.  I know its hard to be patient but it's just something u have to do. Also NYBon is know for taking long it could take a year or more.I wish everyone the best 

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