But some worry that an already severe shortage will become worse.
New York is mulling over a requirement that would force all RNs to earn a bachelor's degree in order to keep their RN certification-a step that critics worry could serve as a body blow to a profession already facing a severe shortage.
Under the state Board of Nursing proposal, RNs with associate's degrees would have to earn bachelor's degrees within 10 years, or their RN certifications would be downgraded to that of licensed practical nurse. That would make nursing somewhat like teaching in New York state; certified K-12 teachers need master's degrees or must obtain one within three years of starting a job. It would also add years and thousands of dollars to the difficulty of becoming an RN...
But I do think it is awfully civil of you to be willing to grandfather this ole grandfather of an RN.. That really is so nice of you. It just warms my heart to know ya'll care.
i hope i haven't offended you! :imbar i just was thinking of the most practical thing that should be done if tptb decide on BSN for future entry. I just didn't think it fair or reasonalbe to require practicing nurses to go back to school.
But I do think it is awfully civil of you to be willing to grandfather this ole grandfather of an RN.. That really is so nice of you. It just warms my heart to know ya'll care.
i hope i haven't offended you! :imbar i just was thinking of the most practical thing that should be done if tptb decide on BSN for future entry. I just didn't think it fair or reasonalbe to require practicing nurses to go back to school.
the accelerated bsn program has to complete 128 credit hours to convey the bsn vs. 60-64 credit hours for adn. are you saying that these students took twice as many classes and learned less?
i have 127 credit hours, all but ten are in nursing and nursing prereqs. i have been a nurse for 12 years. i am an adn.
i took "twice as many classes", and am still an adn. what do you say i get "grandfathered" into being a bsn? :chuckle
the accelerated bsn program has to complete 128 credit hours to convey the bsn vs. 60-64 credit hours for adn. are you saying that these students took twice as many classes and learned less?
i have 127 credit hours, all but ten are in nursing and nursing prereqs. i have been a nurse for 12 years. i am an adn.
i took "twice as many classes", and am still an adn. what do you say i get "grandfathered" into being a bsn? :chuckle
Uh ... my brother is an accountant. Handles the books for a multi-million dollar corporation. He doesn't even have his CPA.
As far as respect, nurses just scored highest (as usual) in the annual Gallup poll measuring the public's perception of various professions. And nurses have scored high for several years. I believe the only profession that rated higher than nurses in recent years were firefighters during the post 9-11 tragedy. But, just this year, nurses were number one, once again.
Generally, I agree that more education is better. But what KIND of education are we talking about here? You really think an ADN is the equivalent of some associate's degree in animal care? For crying out loud. It's not even close.
I'd like to know how many animal care technicians could make it through an ADN program. Hell, I'd like to see how many of them could even make it through pre-reqs. :chuckle
Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Once again, it's not always about titles. It's a little more complicated than that.
I agree totally.
Here is another spin on the question of "what kind of education"...
I have been looking into university BSN programs. A few of my ADN classes will not transfer, because the universities have no equivalent. For example, my epidemiology class won't transfer because the BSN programs don't require it.
What classes am I lacking for the BSN?
College algebra, stats, and four semesters of U.S. gov't. I just don't know how I've been functioning as a nurse without these classes!
I want to get a BSN, but I am discouraged that the required classes that I lack aren't anything that I feel will help me one bit as a nurse.
I could see the extra classes required for a BSN being worth it, IF they were relevent to nursing!
Uh ... my brother is an accountant. Handles the books for a multi-million dollar corporation. He doesn't even have his CPA.
As far as respect, nurses just scored highest (as usual) in the annual Gallup poll measuring the public's perception of various professions. And nurses have scored high for several years. I believe the only profession that rated higher than nurses in recent years were firefighters during the post 9-11 tragedy. But, just this year, nurses were number one, once again.
Generally, I agree that more education is better. But what KIND of education are we talking about here? You really think an ADN is the equivalent of some associate's degree in animal care? For crying out loud. It's not even close.
I'd like to know how many animal care technicians could make it through an ADN program. Hell, I'd like to see how many of them could even make it through pre-reqs. :chuckle
Talk about comparing apples and oranges. Once again, it's not always about titles. It's a little more complicated than that.
I agree totally.
Here is another spin on the question of "what kind of education"...
I have been looking into university BSN programs. A few of my ADN classes will not transfer, because the universities have no equivalent. For example, my epidemiology class won't transfer because the BSN programs don't require it.
What classes am I lacking for the BSN?
College algebra, stats, and four semesters of U.S. gov't. I just don't know how I've been functioning as a nurse without these classes!
I want to get a BSN, but I am discouraged that the required classes that I lack aren't anything that I feel will help me one bit as a nurse.
I could see the extra classes required for a BSN being worth it, IF they were relevent to nursing!
i hope i haven't offended you! :imbar i just was thinking of the most practical thing that should be done if tptb decide on BSN for future entry. I just didn't think it fair or reasonalbe to require practicing nurses to go back to school.
I promise you, you didnt offend me. I dont think I can be offended anymore.
I have been looking into university BSN programs. A few of my ADN classes will not transfer, because the universities have no equivalent. For example, my epidemiology class won't transfer because the BSN programs don't require it.
What classes am I lacking for the BSN?
College algebra, stats, and four semesters of U.S. gov't. I just don't know how I've been functioning as a nurse without these classes!
I want to get a BSN, but I am discouraged that the required classes that I lack aren't anything that I feel will help me one bit as a nurse.
I could see the extra classes required for a BSN being worth it, IF they were relevent to nursing!
Yet another reason why this argument, in many cases, is absurd.
Im sorry to hear that, being licensed in both Nevada and NY, I can tell you that we experience a severe nursing shortage, and I dont believe making seasoned nurses to go back to school will solve the problem. Maybe we should look at the real reason nurses are leaving the profession not add to it.
I'm not offended by this. I think it's a good idea. But like some those of us with ADNs should still be considered RNs and not forced to go back to school. Just make it the standard for the future, which may be a little unfair, but it's also unfair to demote RNs ADNs. Or call us something else, that will denote our ADN status. Just don't mess with my money!
Im sorry to hear that, being licensed in both Nevada and NY, I can tell you that we experience a severe nursing shortage, and I dont believe making seasoned nurses to go back to school will solve the problem. Maybe we should look at the real reason nurses are leaving the profession not add to it.
smk1, LPN
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i hope i haven't offended you! :imbar i just was thinking of the most practical thing that should be done if tptb decide on BSN for future entry. I just didn't think it fair or reasonalbe to require practicing nurses to go back to school.