Nursing and unionization...

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Recently, we were gathered in a meeting held by human resources regarding attempts by a national labor organization to unionize nurses in our area. Now, if anyone can use good union representation, it's nurses. Provided, of course, the union is more interested in serving the needs of the nurses and their patients rather than lining the pockets of union leadership.

And it seems to be the latter in this case. The union is using both grass-roots organizing and what are called "corporate campaigns". The former is well and good as the potential union member has a say in the matter through a vote for unionization. The latter, however, does nothing but honk me off. Corporate campaigns, as they are called seem to be aimed at pressuring management into signing 'neutrality' and 'card check' agreement, either of which will prevent the employees at a given facility from being able to vote on unionization. Any union victory achieved by this means would be Phyrric, at best. The new, and involuntary, union members would be bitter and resentful at not having any say in the matter, and management would be disinclined to negotiate in any constructive way with the union. The ultimate result would seem, at least to me, to be a decline in patient care as nurses disgusted by the process left the profession, leaving those remaining to carry an even heavier burden, leading to more nurses leaving the profession...a vicious cycle.

The unions president has gone so far as to say to health care organizations, " We will unionize your workers or we will destroy your reputation." This would seem to indicate a less than whole-hearted support of nurses, and more about securing his own power and prestige. I have contacted the union in question, both by e-mail and snail-mail regarding this issue and have, thus far received no response. Apparently, they lack the courage of their convictions. If they want to unionize, put it before the nurses. If they can secure better working conditions, pay and benefits for the employees...If the union can constructively engage management to raise everybody's boat and help us provide the best possible patient care, there will be a union. But if they want to engage in the skulduggery and reputation assassination that these 'corporate campaigns' seem to imply, they can fold it five ways and stuff it where the sun never shines.

Any thoughts?

union bad, me speak for self good :sofahider

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in states that have laws restricting workers' rights to form strong unions, the average pay for all workers is lower. so-called "right to work" for less laws that limit workers' rights to collectively bargain contracts (including wages and benefits) are a bad deal for all workers. in 2004, average pay in so-called "right to work" states was 14.4 percent lower than in states where workers have the freedom to form strong unions.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff7.cfm

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff4.cfm

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percentage of workers

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http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff7.cfm

note: "right to work" states are alabama, arizona, arkansas, florida, georgia, idaho, iowa, kansas, louisiana, mississippi, nebraska, nevada, north carolina, north dakota, oklahoma, south carolina, south dakota, tennessee, texas, utah, virginia and wyoming.

fast facts on unions and professionals:

  • the union movement is now 51 percent white collar.
  • in the professional and related occupations, 17.7 percent of workers are union members, a higher proportion than the workforce in general.
  • employment in the professional and related occupations is growing faster and adding more workers than any other major occupational category. while total u.s. employment is projected to grow 13 percent between 2004 and 2014, the growth for professional and technical workers is projected to be 21.2 percent, or 6 million jobs.
  • three-tenths of the growth in professional and related occupations is expected to take place in the health care and social assistance section, one-fifth in government, and one-seventh in professional, scientific, and technical services.
  • some 24 percent of all jobs in 2004 required a bachelor's degree or higher. over the projected period of 2004-2014, 36 percent of the 18.9 million new jobs are expected to be filled by those with a bachelor's degree or higher.

So far my experience with unions has been the same as yours. If they could show me how they could make nursing better I would be the first to sign up but none of them have been able to show me what they can do for me that I can't already do for myself. So far all I have seen from the union is another layer of management trying to sustain their own survival by taking union dues from me. I do not see where they can make my life better but I can see how they can make it worse .

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Here is how the union makes your life better for both you and your family.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff6.cfm

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Thank you, HM2Viking, for some great information about unions and healthcare (and other white collar) professions. Much of what I know about unions is from a proletariat concept...ignoring the professional component. I'm currently working on a debate project with a school mate about unions (she is pro...and I am trying to come up with a con argument). Your information is making it more difficult for me to effectively develop my position, but I'm glad you posted!

Here is how the union makes your life better for both you and your family.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff6.cfm

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But I still have those things without being union. It isn't the union that provided them it is my employer.

but i still have those things without being union. it isn't the union that provided them it is my employer.

there is a crossover effect when there is a union presence in the labor market. professional negotiations and bargaining tend to bring in better pay and beneft packages on average. the real point of this graph was that on average union employees have superior benefits, wages and pension packages when compared to employees not covered by collective bargaining agreements. your employer doesn't give those things out of the goodness of their heart. it happened because there was a real countervailing economic force that ended with a net gain to you as a result of collective pressure.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/upload/advantage.pdf

union workers earn higher wages and get more benefits than workers who don’t have a voice on

the job with a union.

union workers’ median weekly earnings $833

nonunion workers’ median weekly earnings $642

union wage advantage [color=#a60026]30%

union women’s median weekly earnings $758

nonunion women’s median weekly earnings $579

union wage advantage for women [color=#a60026]31%

african american union workers’ median weekly earnings $707

african american nonunion workers’ median weekly earnings $520

union wage advantage for african americans [color=#a60026]36%

latino union workers’ median weekly earnings $686

latino nonunion workers’ median weekly earnings $469

union wage advantage for latinos [color=#a60026]46%

asian american union workers’ median weekly earnings $834

asian american nonunion workers’ median weekly earnings $774

union wage advantage for asian americans [color=#a60026]8%

union workers with employer-provided health insurance 80%

nonunion workers with employer-provided health insurance 49%

union health insurance advantage [color=#a60026]63%

union workers without health insurance coverage 2.5%

nonunion workers without health insurance coverage 15%

nonunion workers are five times more likely to lack health insurance coverage

union workers with guaranteed (defined-benefit) pensions 68%

nonunion workers with guaranteed (defined-benefit) pensions 14%

union pension advantage [color=#a60026]386%

union workers with short-term disability benefits 62%

nonunion workers with short-term disability benefits 35%

union short-term disability benefits advantage [color=#a60026]77%

union workers’ average days of paid vacation 15 days

nonunion workers’ average days of paid vacation 11.75 days

union paid vacation advantage [color=#a60026]28%

what have unions accomplished for all workers?

unions have made life better for all working americans by helping to pass laws ending child labor, establishing the eight-hour day, protecting workers’ safety and health and helping create social security, unemployment insurance and the minimum wage, for example. unions are continuing the fight today to improve life for all working families in america.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/union101.cfm?renderforprint=1

Thank you, HM2Viking, for some great information about unions and healthcare (and other white collar) professions. Much of what I know about unions is from a proletariat concept...ignoring the professional component. I'm currently working on a debate project with a school mate about unions (she is pro...and I am trying to come up with a con argument). Your information is making it more difficult for me to effectively develop my position, but I'm glad you posted!

You're welcome.

product/ service delivery and quality

according to professors michael ash and jean ann seago,[color=#333399][4] heart attack recovery rates are higher in hospitals where nurses are unionized than in non-union hospitals.

http://www.aflcio.org/joinaunion/why/uniondifference/uniondiff8.cfm

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But I still have those things without being union. It isn't the union that provided them it is my employer.

It is very clear that you, Burn Out, should never consider joining a union. You have everything you need at your employer. Woo hoo! Some might argue that the nursing profession is about more than just what "you get" and can look out for the big picture. I think H2MViking or whoever is showing just that. Clearly the concept doesn't appeal to you....okey dokey.

I guess you've never worked in a hospital that gave you less than 30 days notice and then made you lose health insurance for three months without notice. Or.........have you???????:lol2:

Wouldn't have been allowed to happen if the workgroup were union. Oh well....

I have no opinions to express on this thread one way or another, but I thought it might be interesting to let other members know that while viewing this thread, my security program came up with a "privacy report" which I checked out of curiosity. It contained about a dozen listings for "aflcio.org". So everytime that a moderator warns the members that this bulletin board is not as anonymous as one might think, take their statement for what it is worth.

I have no opinions to express on this thread one way or another, but I thought it might be interesting to let other members know that while viewing this thread, my security program came up with a "privacy report" which I checked out of curiosity. It contained about a dozen listings for "aflcio.org". So everytime that a moderator warns the members that this bulletin board is not as anonymous as one might think, take their statement for what it is worth.

maybe I am not very computer savvy but, can you explain what this means? Are you talking about viewing the boards at work?

Specializes in mostly in the basement.
I have no opinions to express on this thread one way or another, but I thought it might be interesting to let other members know that while viewing this thread, my security program came up with a "privacy report" which I checked out of curiosity. It contained about a dozen listings for "aflcio.org". So everytime that a moderator warns the members that this bulletin board is not as anonymous as one might think, take their statement for what it is worth.

I think what you are seeing are some of the many anonymous "bots" out there that troll the public internet searching out for any codeword inserted into the program. In this example, I'd take a wild guess that it was the word UNION considering what group was on the lookout for it. It's more a new tech way to view the buzz about a particular subject rather than some big brother threat who knows it was YOU who said such and such about anything in particular. Don't get paranoid anyone. No, this board isn't completely anonymous but that story sounds more like a plant to scare people away from talking about the devil unions. Whatever.....To each his own!

I think what you are seeing are some of the many anonymous "bots" out there that troll the public internet searching out for any codeword inserted into the program. In this example, I'd take a wild guess that it was the word UNION considering what group was on the lookout for it. It's more a new tech way to view the buzz about a particular subject rather than some big brother threat who knows it was YOU who said such and such about anything in particular. Don't get paranoid anyone. No, this board isn't completely anonymous but that story sounds more like a plant to scare people away from talking about the devil unions. Whatever.....To each his own!

I agree with you Mab....

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