Nursing student, and two deaths this week (very long, sorry...)

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Hi, all. This is my first post (and not my last...), and I came here for help and understanding. I am at the county's free hospital, and I'm in my first semester of RN school. I have changed my life around to do this, and as my name says, I'm quite literally loving this whole thing. I am not sure how it works in general, but we've been in medsurg (ortho for me) since the 5th week; bedbaths, ADLs, assessments, injections, meds (PO and PRN, no IV yet), and just general care stuff. We are assigned to one patient, and have an RN and our clinical instructor we report to. Our hospital has wards, so we get assigned a bed. Nothing too complicated, and while I've had some rough patients, I've always left the floor feeling good, no matter what happened.

Until Tuesday, that is. Tuesday, I was assigned to a tib plateau ORIF. No big issues there, normal meds, not even a secondary dx. Just the ORIF recovery and PT. We left pre-conference, and headed up to the floor. As I came off the elevator, my RN called for me to gown/glove/mask stat, and help. I handed off my books and got ready. Into the ward I trot, to be confronted by a patient with a pool of blood under his bed, dripping off the sides. Not my patient, but I'm ready to help. I help get him cleaned up, and realize he's bleeding from his rectum. Bright red, and a lot. Not sure even what his DX is, I'm helping clean and locate issues with this pt. We get a condom cath onto him (which I am not supposed to do, so I just watched), and finished cleaning up while the RN is calling for his dr. I take initial care of my pt, get him some pain meds and get him ready to take a bedbath, when I notice another pool of blood on the floor of the first patient. Condom cath is not working, and he's bleeding from his member now as well as his rectum still. I grab my RN, and she foley's him. And the blood coming into the bad is purple and clot-ish; thick and with bits of stuff in it. I can't rouse the patient. I take his pressure, and while it's in the normal range, he's tachycardic. He's compensating. The Dr comes in, and thinks maybe (???) the pt should be in ICU. Two hours later, another group of Drs come in, and they concur. It takes a third Dr to decide to actually call ICU and get the pt transferred...my RN and I get him ready to go, and we take him up to ICU. They start working on him as we get off the elevator... go back to our floor, and I get back to my assigned patient. I find out on Wednesday am in handoff that the transfer pt passed away.

So now it's wednesday morning, and I've been informed of my first death. I try to shake it off, and get to my pt. We have a readmit that was my pt last week, a lady with terminal cancer. I peek in on her (she's been put into iso because we didn't have a bed in the woman's ward), and she looks bad. My regular pt is complaining of pain, and I go to get him his meds and some water. He gets it all in, and he's feeling all right; good enough to eat breakfast. He asks for juice, so I head to the kitchen. Isolation is directly down a short hall from the kitchen, and as I come out of the kitchen, the cancer patient's sister starts screaming. I just sort of stand there, watching...my RN and another RN go flying into the room, and then one comes back out, mumbling something about code blue, and then gets mixed up and goes into the linen closet instead of the med room for the crash cart. Code Blue is called, and my RN gets the crash cart and is moving fast. I look down the hallway, and here comes a horde of scrubs, responding to the code.

I melt back into the basin in the lobby; I have to get out of the way, and so I get pinned in there by all the bodies. The sister of the cancer patient is sort of passed out into the lobby area, where I am, and since she recognized me, headed straight for me. She reaches me, grabs my arms, screams into my face, and her eyes roll back. I catch her (she's tiny) and am able to help her keep her feet; my isntructor has managed to make it through the crowd to me, and tells me to get her into the kitchen...so I do. In the kitchen, she's wailing and hitting the table and the wall, and screaming, asking me if her sister is dead. I don't have any answers, they haven't called the code yet...and then they do. She asks me again, and all I can do is nod. I'm fighting to keep my cool...she needs me cool. She asks me what happens now, and I tell her someone will come talk to her. I'm making that up, because we haven't covered this in class yet. Catch that? I have no idea what I'm supposed to do here...we haven't learned it.

My isntructor gets in there, and does start talking to her. Another student nurse comes in and helps. I am given time to get myself together...and so I do. Or sort of. While I'm out getting myself together, the patient's daughter comes. A brief backstory; she's been quite abusive to the Drs and RNs in the last few weeks. Everyone's been as patient as possible with her, as she's in denial and is fighting to keep her Mom alive. She has filed two complaints against RNs already. So because she hasn't filed a complaint against me, I was asked to watch for her arrival, and get the Dr when she gets there. So she gets there, and barges into the room where her mom is laying. She's screaming, and screaming, and wailing...and I go to her. She grabs me by the shoulders, and shakes me. 'I can't believe you let my mother die in that Godforsaken {blankity blank} room. YOU LET HER DIE!!!". I get my arms around her and just hold her for a few moments...she stops trying to hit me and just collapses into me...and I manage to get her into a chair in the hallway. The Dr comes, and he's talking to her, and tells me to go on and leave, he's got her now...so I do.

I get back to my patient, and he's being a good guy. Just pats my hand and says he doesn't want to know anything, except if I'm all right. Apparently, they didn't get the door shut to the ward, and he watched pretty much everything. I tell him I'm fine, and get to tending him. At my lunch break, I go out onto the patio, and am sitting there in the sun, feeling utterly overwhelmed and confused and shocked and exhausted to my very soul. I get the day complete, and head home. I try to study for exams on Thursday, and managed to get about 2 hours' sleep...go take the exams, blow them completely (until now, I've been a solid A student...), and come home and try to get some sleep. No dice.

I have a horse, and I went to go see him today; riding is my passion and my sanity...and I couldn't ride today. My head was too cloudy to get up on him and risk him losing it and spooking and me coming off and getting hurt...so I kept my feet on the ground.

I know this is really long, and if you're still here, believe me I appreciate it. I am struggling really hard with this week's events...two deaths, neither one a peaceful transition...we haven't learned how to deal with this in class yet, and I'm feeling ever so overwhelmed and lost and scared and ineffective. I'm not coping well, you know?

I guess this post has two goals. First is to be heard and to get some comfort from those who've seen what I saw this week. And second, to find some effective coping strategies because I don't seem to have any. My NANDA would be ineffective coping d/t sudden deaths of patients.

Thanks in advance, and please, help if you can. I'm having a really hard time of it. I keep seeing the sister screaming into my face, and hearing the daughter accuse me of letting her mother die. This is a lot to deal with as a first semester student, you know?

Best-

Lovin' Learning

no, it was sort of discussed in post conference, but not in detail or privately. and no referral was given. i'm thinking about heading to the chaplains office and talking to someone there, but i don't know if that's appropriate.

of course it would be appropriate- they are always there to help. you have had a tremendously hard week- even a seasoned nurse might have been upset by a family member like that. there will be times like these, when you feel inadequate or overwhelmed. there will also be times when you realize you've made a difference in someone's life and feel blessed. just hang in there, and realize these experiences are going to shape you into the excellent nurse you're going to become.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Dealing with death isn't really something you can learn about in class.

You did any amazing job this week and you'll make a great nurse.

I second this. You cannot learn about how to deal with death in a class. As a nursing student (and a relatively new one at that), you were put into not one, but two difficult situations through circumstance-- has your clinical educator taken time to talk with you and process what happened? If not, ask them to do so. Personally, I precept students in ICU, and if there's a death, or a code, or a pt who is impending death, I make a point of talking through all the emotions of the situation/ how to handle it, etc.

Even if you have had that done for you, if it's still affecting you after work, find someone else to vent to. My husband is my sounding board, and I use him frequently. I know it's early in your (not yet started!) career, but start brainstorming things that make you centered. The horse is great, but if you need a bridge between you and the horse . . . think of other relaxation things. Personally, I blare my radio with angry rock anthems on the way home some nights; peaceful ballads the next-- depends on the mood and my patient. ;-)

And also realize that, generally, no matter how long you are in your profession, there will always be patients that make you feel as these two have. The key is in coping. Realizing that you cannot save them all, but that you do your best every day to save the ones you can. Find a way to balance yourself, while still retaining your empathy, and you will be a fantastic nurse. Your willingness as a student to jump in and help in these crisis situations, to be honest, is commendable and very, very rare from my experiences.

That situation would be stressful to any nurse- never mind a 1st semester student w/TWO deaths in the same wk! I think you did an awesome job- you have the right instincts. Patient deaths will become easier to handle emotionally, but it's never easy to take care of a patient and get to know them a little, then see them die rather than go home. I agree w/the other posters who suggested pastoral counseling. I think you handled yourself very well in an overwhelming situation!

i am especially impressed that you continued to embrace the dtr, even as she was screaming at you...

and she collapsed in your arms.

your instincts were spot on and you responded beautifully.

bravo to you...

leslie

I think you have good instincts for a first semester student...you did a really good job!:up: As far as processing things, I have had no trauma so far as a student but I had several pts go through horrible things when I was a CNA and I can tell you, these faces will come back to you over the years, it just happens. You will process it again and again. It will make you a better nurse and the lessons learned will stick with you. I also can tell you know what people are really thinking when they are upset is not aimed directly at you, because your instinct with the daughter when she yelled at you was to hold her and support her...again a really good job!!:yeah:Always go with your gut as you finish your school journey, it seems to be working for you!:heartbeat

Specializes in Med/Surg, LTC, Rehab, Hospice, Endocrine.

Learning to deal with death on the job or off is never an easy path. What you did, the way you responded, not only to the situation but to the family speaks volumes. The hardest thing to do in a situation with dynamics like that is keep your cool and remember that the family is suffering too. You did everything you knew how to do, and you went above and beyond by trying to comfort the family. I second (or third or fourth) the opinion that you need to speak to someone about your feelings. You know what you did was right, it's just a matter of convincing your brain and heart of that. A pastor, a counselor, a friend; someone who can listen. Keep it up; you are going to make one he** of a nurse.

You all may never know what a huge help you've been. I finally got some good sleep last night, and today I'm planning on a long trail ride on my horse.

I have made two decisions:

~To ask the administration to go over code blue behavior, and what we are to tell or not tell the family if we are ever in that position as students, and what is hospital protocol for that situation.

~To talk to the hospital pastoral staff so I can get some guidance.

I also started a journal on Friday, about the deaths and about my experience and my feelings. I suspect that will help a lot in the coming days.

But mostly, hearing you all confirm that I did the best I could and that I was on target with everything, even with no real understanding as to what to do or how to do it...well, that makes a huge difference to me.

It's not that I actually doubted myself; but rather, I doubted myself because there was no instruction or debriefing so that I knew from an outside source that I did right or wrong. To know that my peers (you all) think I did the right things, especially as a student, really settles my mind. Now, if only I can get my heart settled as well.

I suppose I mean to say that of course I doubted myself because it was the first/second time I've ever dealt with that sort of thing...but there was a part of me that knew I was all right...but it helps to hear that from outside sources and know that you all think I did right by everyone, too. Since there was no isntruction, and thus no guideline for me to follow, I did what was right for me to do at the moment...but who was to say that it was right? I have nothing to compare it to...and so had no real idea if I was on target or missing the boat completely.

So I thank you all from the bottom of my heart...to know that you all think I did all right is good to hear. It reassures me, settles me, somehow, in a way that folks (like my family) who haven't had this experience can't relate very well to. So big thanks, big big thanks, huge thanks, gigantic thanks, enormous thanks...this student appreciates it very much.

Hugs to all...and know you've again made a difference.

Best-

Lovin Learning

Specializes in ER.

I read the whole thing, and don't have much wisdom to add. You DO have great instincts, and responded perfectly to both situations. It was a compliment for that RN to ask for your help in a crisis, she knew you would keep cool and help the patient as much as possible. There are many that would freeze or be grossed out. I also wonder why they took all dam day to transfer that patient, but there was nothing you could do.

That sister was screaming at you because you were the one standing in front of her, and she really needed to yell at someone. You responded perfectly. It sounds like they thought the patient would have more time, and the shock of such a quick death was too much for her. She may not remember you, or what you said, but she will remember she was comforted and cared for, and that's all we can do sometimes.

I was a mess after my first death, and I had 2 years experience under my belt. Talk to whoever you need to, and go easy on yourself for a bit. It does get easier, but not painless, no matter how long you've been doing this. You are going to be an exceptional nurse.

I read the whole thing, and don't have much wisdom to add. You DO have great instincts, and responded perfectly to both situations. It was a compliment for that RN to ask for your help in a crisis, she knew you would keep cool and help the patient as much as possible. There are many that would freeze or be grossed out. I also wonder why they took all dam day to transfer that patient, but there was nothing you could do.

I did consider it a compliment, and yes, there was a student nurse who came into the ward during that, turned green, and walked out retching. The stench and the sight were overwhelming to be sure, but I'm pleased I didn't hesitate at all. And I wonder too why they took so long; the only plausible explanation was that there was no bed in ICU, and they had to move someone to make room for him. Sadly, it wasn't fast enough...but then again, it might not have helped any, either. Just not sure in that situation.

That sister was screaming at you because you were the one standing in front of her, and she really needed to yell at someone. You responded perfectly. It sounds like they thought the patient would have more time, and the shock of such a quick death was too much for her. She may not remember you, or what you said, but she will remember she was comforted and cared for, and that's all we can do sometimes.

They did expect more time. I'm not sure why, but I think they thought they had a while; she had been readmitted because of intolerable pain, and I don't think they had a real idea. I looked at the patient that morning, and she looked really bad; I can't explain it, but she was not the patient I had last week, not at all. Very drawn and inside herself, if that makes any sense. I know, several days' of thought later, that I was screamed at simply because I was the one there; that she'd've screamed her grief and anguish at whomever happened to be there. I was surprised and shocked, and yes, if I have to tell the truth, feeling somewhat defensive. But I also understand it better now, with the passage of time and the listening folks like you and my family have done. It wasn't me; it was just me there.

I was a mess after my first death, and I had 2 years experience under my belt. Talk to whoever you need to, and go easy on yourself for a bit. It does get easier, but not painless, no matter how long you've been doing this. You are going to be an exceptional nurse.

From your lips to God's ears, that it both gets 'easier' and that I will be a great nurse. I don't expect it to ever be painless (I should be out of nursing if it does...), but I hope that it gets less shocking and less overwhelming, if that makes sense.

I had a gorgeous ride with my horse today; spent probably 6 hours at the barn, rode about 2 hours of that...just spent time with my horse. That is comforting somehow, to me...and it was such a beautiful day. I am feeling more relaxed and more ready to get back to the hospital on Wednesday and go from there.

Thanks, everyone. Again, thanks. I am so glad I found this forum; I've been lurking and reading, and when this last week was just too much, I decided to make my first post. It is nice to be welcomed and comforted.

Best-

Lovin Learning

Darling girl.

I haven't read all the responses. In my humble opinion, you did the best you could in a superbly cruddy situation.

I'm a horse-girl myself. And sometimes, even though you think your babies wouldn't be able to deal with the stress you are putting off, sometimes they are the best at doing so. They can take the pain and the stress and make you think of other things.

Lots of times they save us.

Specializes in SICU.

You've gotten some excellent advice so I won't repeat what's already been said, but I do want to tell you that you did a great job - you "get" what it is that nurses do.

The deaths don't get any easier (they haven't for me) but I have learned to mostly deal with the emotional aftermath. I talk to my co-workers, have talked to counselors and clergy, and even my husband. It helps to decompensate; make sure you do it.

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Darling girl.

I'm a horse-girl myself. And sometimes, even though you think your babies wouldn't be able to deal with the stress you are putting off, sometimes they are the best at doing so. They can take the pain and the stress and make you think of other things.

Lots of times they save us.

i spent a lot of time astride this last weekend; and on tueday, did a rare bareback and leadline ride. he was fantastic for me; a great big tb who spooks at everything, and me only riding this way a handful of times with him. he was so good and only had one moment where he thought it would be good to canter in a small circle and toss his head around. i just laughed...he is good for my soul.

i wanted to quickly update the thread, and say that while i am still dealing with everything, and not necessarily well, i got the scores from the exams last week; 88 percent on both. i can't complain, because i was too upset to study well for one, and the other i don't remember much at all...

i will be riding this whole weekend, too...and studying for a pharm exam on thursday. i'm trying to get back into the full swing of things, and not put these deaths behind me in the sense of forgetting about them, but settling them in my heart and soul so that i can be better the next time this happens, better for me, and for the family left behind and grieving. it's a learning process, i suppose, and i just had a baptism by fire earlier than normal. i'll keep making adjustments, and keep working with what i have, and just be better and better as it goes along.

nothing else to do, you know/

best-

lovin' learning

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