I have been talking with some fellow nurisng staff tonight and we have that someone withing nursing is screwing us over. we thnk its likley political.
here are the roots of our conversation.
1. we researched some nursing schools that are "internet based in nature". the schools claim is that you can get your RN in six months no clinical. upon further review we found that the school is acredited by the leauge. We thin the league or someone inorder to get kickbacks is making it possible for nurses to get through faster.
2. someone probably the ana has made the process for forgien nurses obtaing liscences easy. should it be easy
should be easy to become a nurse? that is what all of these campaings are aimed at. and it has to be some entity within nurisng.
I know you will think these accusations are unfounded. but just think about it for a minute.
I can't imagine that! I was under the impression that you had to have so many hours of clinical experience to even get the license? Isn't that why schools are accredited?
Even if this was true, who would hire a RN -- even licensed -- with NO CLINICAL? Imagine -- they wouldn't even be able to do a basic assesment if they only had the book learning! What about IV's, caths, shots? One would have to have hands on for that kind of training and while the basic theory could be learned in books the actual procedure just could never be taught that way.
As far as the nursing shortage affecting education, the only thing different where I am is that they have upped the number of students in our program. I have 59 students in my class and that is the largest ever accepted. But, they also had to hire more instructors for our clinicals so we would all have proper training and supervision.
You're saying that BEFORE world war II nurses required a 4-year degree?! Somehow that doesn't ring true. Of course, I haven't investigated it yet so I don't know. But, hmmm, doesn't sound right.
Our hospital system also recruited nurses from the Phillipines. 81, I believe. It doesn't look like we're gonna end up with ANY of them. It's not that easy.
I believe that the majority of nurses before WW2 were trained in hospitals and received a diploma. The 2 year RN was meant to supply the damand for nurses. LPN's also prospered at this time.
Molly I don't think it is a cospiriacy either I think its well intended. I do think that someone is in bed with hospital and medical associtions.
I will now find a link to an online internet program that claims to be fast and easy with minimal clinical time that is accrdetited.
why would we want to ease the shortage anyway?
I by the way am an ADN graduate who went on to a RN to BSN program.
I got a good eductation but in hind site .. BSN entry would be for the good of the profession. we would at least have a leg to stand on when it comes to wages.
what I am saying is that it is a slippery sloop. the ADN came from world war 2 and cracker jack box diplomas will come from this shortage. and guess what? these kind of changes stick. we still havn't got back to 4 year programs like we should have.
and if we settle. "they" will have the leg to stand on when it comes to knocking our wages down.
matt
P.S. I don't feel like Iam paraniod. the fact is, it is becoming easier to get a liscense. its on bill boards and internet popups all over the place. Are we professinals. can you imagine earing your law degree off the internet.
Umm the 2-year program was actually the first nursing degree offered in many states. before that all you could get was a "deploma in nursing" and before that they pulled postitutes off the street to take care of the sick, thats when Florance came in and cleaned it up. I would have thought your BSN program would have included a course in nursing history.
I do think there is some substance to what you are saying though. Much of the political influance in nursing belongs to administraiters and educators. Educators want to make us all be MSN's in order to get an RN license and administraiters want to let CNA's pass meds and do assessments.
I do think that nursing education should be made more accessable but don't think we should have to sacrafice standards to make it more accessable and I don't like some of the changes I've heard of lately.
... and before that they pulled postitutes off the street to take care of the sick, thats when Florance came in and cleaned it up.
LOL, you couldn't get the prostitutes to come and work as a nurse now, they probably earn more than most nurses, and I'm not sure about working conditions.
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I can't imagine that! I was under the impression that you had to have so many hours of clinical experience to even get the license? Isn't that why schools are accredited?
Even if this was true, who would hire a RN -- even licensed -- with NO CLINICAL? Imagine -- they wouldn't even be able to do a basic assesment if they only had the book learning! What about IV's, caths, shots? One would have to have hands on for that kind of training and while the basic theory could be learned in books the actual procedure just could never be taught that way.
As far as the nursing shortage affecting education, the only thing different where I am is that they have upped the number of students in our program. I have 59 students in my class and that is the largest ever accepted. But, they also had to hire more instructors for our clinicals so we would all have proper training and supervision.