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  1. by   Silverdragon102
    Quote from ヤンネさま
    Hello there! I'm glad I was able to read through this forum. My friends and I have been visiting some agencies lately here in our city in the Phils that assists in acquiring UK student visas and to enter a program exactly like what ISA is offering. Of course, the prospect of going to the UK for study as well as to earn gets us all excited. Actually,some of my friends have started to process already, and they're are already RNs and NCLEX and IELTS passers, but they're a bit frustrated from waiting for their US visas to arrive so they've decided to enter this study-work program.

    I've had my doubts about it, though, while we were attending orientation. They practically guaranteed that after finishing the NVQ3 & 4 for nursing grads that we will be able to practice as a nurse at an international level. Is that true? Will that be enough for us to apply as a registered nurse in the UK or some other country (regardless of whether there is a shortage or not in the UK)? Will the Nurses & Midwifery Council of the UK allow us to register as a nurse after finishing that BSc (Hons) in Health and Social Care?

    Sorry for this really long question. It's just that this is really bothering me and I'm just cautious about these things. I hope someone can give me some info on this. Thanks a lot for the insight you've shared in this forum!

    If you meet NMC requirements then they will not stop you from registering with them However you will find it extremely hard to find a employer willing to assist you with a work permit to stay in the UK and work as a nurse. At the moment the requirements is UK citizen then EU before the rest of the world and in most cases your application/CV will not even be shortlisted. Just doing in the course will not benefit you as a nurse it has nothing to do with nursing. Shame on them for telling you this as they are not the ones that give out work permits but the government and they are clamping down with immigration and making it much harder
  2. by   5cats
    Despite of so many posts in this forum it still seems to be not clear to many people that to be able to register in a certain country doesn't mean TO BE ABLE TO WORK.

    Nobody can promise you anything, only goverments are issueing visa/work permits. It's the same in every country worldwide.

    We don't have a nurses shortage in the UK, there's a hiring freeze for many NHS Trusts, as in many other countries in Europe. That' means no visas!

    5cats
  3. by   XB9S
    Quote from 5cats
    Despite of so many posts in this forum it still seems to be not clear to many people that to be able to register in a certain country doesn't mean TO BE ABLE TO WORK.

    Nobody can promise you anything, only goverments are issueing visa/work permits. It's the same in every country worldwide.

    We don't have a nurses shortage in the UK, there's a hiring freeze for many NHS Trusts, as in many other countries in Europe. That' means no visas!

    5cats

    Thank you 5cats, short, to the point and very well said
  4. by   ennairam
    Yeah, I figured that that was the case, so yesterday we visited another one of these agencies that process student visas (to observe how they presented their program). I think they tend to leave out the part where nurses from here DO NOT become qualified as a nurse there after finishing the NVQ, and this only qualifies them to be senior carers. They focus more on "brighter future" and "experience European culture", which is naturally very tempting for many young nurses.

    I asked some questions after their presentation and it was the only time that they were able to clarify this. They answered truthfully that we will not be trained as nurses there, but carers. This 2-year diploma will not even count as nursing experience (if we ever plan to apply in other places). Well, I guess I should have expected that coz this program does not even require IELTS and is open to just about anyone who just has some experience on health care. I'm a registered nurse here and I worked hard for it and there are certainly other opportunities where I can practice as an RN and not a caregiver.

    Also, there was another agency who said that nurses who have passed their NCLEX and IELTS can take up this NVQ while waiting for their US visas and the retrogression to lift, but that is actually not allowable because they will be breaching their contract. They also said that you can have sideline jobs, but that is also illegal, right?

    thanks guys for your info! This thread really made me open my eyes to this issue and I've started to tell other nurses I know about the part these agencies usually leave out.
  5. by   XB9S
    Quote from ennairam
    Also, there was another agency who said that nurses who have passed their NCLEX and IELTS can take up this NVQ while waiting for their US visas and the retrogression to lift, but that is actually not allowable because they will be breaching their contract. They also said that you can have sideline jobs, but that is also illegal, right?
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    Well done for asking the right questions, i am glad you got the information that you needed to make an informed decision.

    As far as taking the NVQ whilst waiting for retrogression to lift, I suppose you could as it is on a student VISA rather than working VISA but as you have said the hours will not count for nursing experience which makes you less attractive to prospective employers and "sidelining jobs" hmm that sounds very dodgy, and I imagine illegal athough without knowing exactly what they mean by that would be difficult to say for sure. In the UK you would not be able to work as a nurse so I imagine the sideline job will be a minimum wage care giver.
  6. by   mark22
    Really? There's a placement fee? how can i procure such amounts. anyway, anyone tried the Student visa like the ISA in Visacenter.org
  7. by   ericsonranchez
    There is a address and phone number in Makati City

    Iv tried to contact them but the phones numbers listed couldn't be reached.. THE NUMBERS ARE LITERALLY "NUMB" ERS. no response!
    Check it for yourself.
    Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Dec 10, '08 : Reason: PM to member
  8. by   maan29
    Good day!

    I've heard just recently about ISA in the news papers & television news here in manila and It was really tempting to apply to them but now i've learned a lot from this forum , Im confuse if im still want to pursue applying for UK...If I work as a caregiver in UK I think its much better than to work as a nurse here in the philippines....but I need to think more...
  9. by   XB9S
    Maan, you really need to check out the thread about working and studying in the UK which is a sticky at the top of the forum, as a carer you will be earning minimum wage if that, the course that you are studying for is not going to allow you to work as a nurse in the UK and it will not count as nursing experience so at the end of the course when you have to return home you will have no current nursing experience to help you find a job. It is very expensive to live in the UK and you really will struggle to survive on what you will make.
  10. by   chelseaxyrene
    In my opinion, it would be better to gain a nursing experience here in the Philippines and then go to other countries that will surely issue work permits. I know it is hard to find a job here in the Philippines for I am also looking for one. And I have once considered going to UK as a student. But when I think of the fact that after 2 years I will still be going home to the Philippines with zero experience, I think it's not worth it. By the time you are done with the 2 year study in UK, there will be more nurses here in the Philippines which will make it harder for us to find a job to gain experience. Well it's just my opinion.
  11. by   KitsuneDream
    I did try apply at ISA 4U last november 2008, but when I found out about the amount of money needed for the processing, I backed out! Firstly, because I can't produce such amount so I need to loan. But the problem is that I know I wouldn't be able to pay for it even after 2 years of working there because of the high cost of living. Secondly, it's not an assurance that I can apply for a poststudy visa and what more to get ONP and work permit there as a nurse. I guess it's not good for RNs/BSNs because this won't be counted as nurse experience.
  12. by   ponkan
    hello to all who participated in this forum!
    i thank you all for the very informative opinions you've got here.
    its only yesterday when i attended the free orientation of ISA. true, its very tempting to apply to their program especially for people who are unemployed and for those who really wanted to go abroad hoping to earn more. they've been clear to us that we cant work there as a nurse. we will go there as a student and at the same time, we will be working as carers. they also told us the only allowable working hours per week because they know that Filipinos love OTs. They've disclosed that it will be very expensive but they also got ways of helping those who cant afford. despite the big amount needed to be in their program, still, many of the attendees became interested and have signed, and im one of them even if there's a doubt, anyway, we are free to back out. honestly, im already thinking of getting started with the application process but after reading those negative posts, a humongous uncertainty came in.
    after all, im still undecided... half cut!
    please help me decide!
    here are some reasons why half of me wants to apply to their program
    - it is really my dream to go to London
    - i think that the small amount that will be left in my salary (minus everything i need to pay) is still bigger than what i can get from hospitals here (to have something is better than to have nothing)
    - personal experience
    - new techniques
    - new friends (if you manage to build good friendship with the foreigners, they may help you cope with the difficulties that you will encounter in the host country)

    if possible, i want to hear from those who have applied in ISA and are now deployed in UK.

    waaaaaaaah! it's so hard to decide!

    anyway, thank you for all the information! i need to weigh things!!!!!
  13. by   Silverdragon102
    If London is your destination then you really are going to struggle to live. The most expensive place in the UK . Also if you are on a student visa then there will be restrictions on how many hours you can work and if you are caught doing over them hours it is grounds to get visa cancelled and you have to leave the UK. What are you going to do once your student visa is up, they will not renew indefinitely?

    They can promise all they want but immigration issue the visas and will have questions and if too many get abused and this is what I think the company is doing, then you are going to have problems getting the visa. The UK is gong through some very tough times at the moment and companies are closing that have been around decades which means more people in the workplace looking for other work.

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