would you cross a picket line???? - page 7

Yesterday one of my nursing coworkers told me about some strike in OHIO and that she was going to take a travel assignment to that area..... I am totally happy where I am, but I was kinda wondering... Read More

  1. by   fedupnurse
    In a very recent survey I did on my unit, the number one issue was working conditions, NOT MONEY. In fact, last year we voted down a $2.00 per hour raise because of the strings attached. That should tell people something, particularly people like Papapete. I agree with Peeps-sounds like a lurking suit to me too.
    Gomer, you don't strike me as a suit. But I would ask a favor. Being that you are admittedly anti union, please don't go to work in a unionized hospital. I work with some nurses who claim to be anti union but they are the first ones who collect all the benefits of membership and file grievance after grievance about poor working conditions and unfair treatment and they also claim they will cross the line for the betterment of patients. I respect your opinion of unions (don't agree with it, but I do repect it). I just don't understand why people who are antiunion would ever work in a unionized facility when there are non union facilities close by.
    Last edit by fedupnurse on Jul 26, '02
  2. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I never said Gomer, did I?.

    Nope, sure didn't.

    However, I did notice that JT, Fedup, and myself all stated our positions with examples and well organized thought.

    Did you realize that you're not really saying anything?

    How could you not. I did.

    Show me I'm wrong Gomer.....lay yourself out there and let the crows pick at your carcass.
  3. by   Gomer
    Ah, Peeps you are so funny.

    Every time we get in this pro-union/anti-union discussion you accuse those who are not unionists of being management and spreading (<--my word, not your's) PROPAGANDA.

    If and when you ever become an RN, I would love to be your preceptor in my wonder non-union hospital.

  4. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    What page can I view your opinnion on anything besides how shelfish striking nurses are?

    Or are you waiting for your boss to give you that too.

    C'mon Gomer, what do you think of the points Jt, and fedupnurse brought up?

    Debating with critticaly thinking nurses is not as easy as it looked, huh.
    Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jul 26, '02
  5. by   Peeps Mcarthur

    If you're in a non-union hospital you will never have the pleasure of precepting me.
  6. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    From deep in the heart of texas

    Well PEEPS your on a roll again, hmmm hmmm hmmm
    At least yall live in states that favor unions, the good ole boys of texas have worked hard for decades to keep union activity minimal in this state compared to others. So here ot it doesnt matter if you are pro or antiunion.
    But for the right money I will cross the line, and will continue to do so. Its called supporting my family the best that I can.
    And playing more golf
  7. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    this was "teed-up" by Tom

    But for the right money I will cross the line, and will continue to do so. Its called supporting my family the best that I can.
    Nursing is your family too Tom.

    You belong to one or the other. There is no such thing as a non-nurse nurse is there?

    Your immediate family and a living wage with the benefits to take care of them is what we are discussing.

    Isn't it? Not really union or non.........suit or nurse.
  8. by   Gomer
    First, I've never felt or thought or said that striking nurses are selfish.

    Second, I think everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.

    Third, I've been fortunate to always work in situations where my voice has counted and unions were/are not necessary.

    My one and only point to you Peeps is that one can be non-union/anti-union and not be considered management or administration. There are "workers" in the world that don't want/need unions.
  9. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Ya know, I was just thinking,

    Taking attention off the real issue is exactly what suits do, isn't it?


    Of course, put it up there plain as day, then deny. Gives those nurses something to argue that will have them spinning wheels right past the issues of benefits, staffing, and compensation.


    You just cook up a little union-non-union debate.

    Viola!!.........None of those thorny issues to face. Either you are against, or for, the right to have a union. Nothing compromised there, just get the nurses to look the other way in a heated debate over pretty much nothing.

    So, you guys got an opinnion? Or do you want to just cut-n-paste your last response and add an extra dig.?

    All I'm hearing is an "echo". That's when someone says something to merely get a reaction instead of a response.

    I admit, I was just answering echos there, although Tom did come out of it for a sec with the strike-nurse enticements(nice touch, very subtle)

    You guys answered the original question posted on the thread, how about your opinnions on JT and fedupnurse's comments.
  10. by   teeituptom
    Howdy yall
    from deep in the heart of texas

    And boy howdy to you to PEEPS. Lets clear the air here a little. My family is My family. Nursing is my chosen profession, avocation, my life style. Nurse are among my friends and some are among my non friends. But nursing is never and never will be my Family. For me there is more to life than nursing. Nursing is what I do, and I do it well and I have paid my dues in it for 2 and 1/2 decades now. It is how I choose to support my family, and how I choose to live. I have been in this field in one form or another since 1968. Starting off as a corpsman, and its been a long and successfull story since.
    Yes I support unions and those who choose to unionize, That is inherent in the freedoms of this country that my fathers and grandfathers have fought for. And while I support unions and what they are trying to do with some success. I will still cross the picket line for the right kind of money, and that is one of the freedoms we have fought for also. The right to choose our path that is best for us. When I have crossed picket lines I have always come with a high price tag and in a roundabout way what they are paying me, helps the unions and the nurses out. Because administration pays an exorbitant amount for me and with my experience and background I get what I ask for. So in the long run that does help nursing out.
    When you have paid your dues peeps then come to me with your Ideas, because untill then you have one helluva lot to learn, rather than just trying to rattle cages. So you better get back to your studies. I have been there and felt that and a lot of things for a long time now.

    Have a good day PEEPS
  11. by   LasVegasRN
    Great post, Tom!
  12. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    A statement.

    An opinnion.

    Personal feelings

    That's what I was talking about Tom. After 25 years, for gawds sakes I hope you feel entitled.

    Thank you Tom. Great post.
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    No Gomer, that was Papapete that said nuses are selfish(striking).

    By posting after you like that I should have given a proper quote. I can see how that would make it appear as if I was addressing you with that.....sorry.