Outrageous Fortune of Healthcare CEO's - page 2
From Revolution Magazine, May-June 2002 By Daniel Johnston Something is out of whack when healthcare CEO's receive multimillion compensation packages while millions of people caan't afford... Read More
Aug 21, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 2,662; Likes: 46<you have to remember that the CEO's will work where the money is. You want a good CEO you have to pay a market rate...you want good leadership you gotta pay for it.>
EXACTLY! And thats what they told us at one hospital when we asked them to justify their outrageous million dollar salaries & perks (which were obtained thru the freedom of information act & posted here a few months ago) at a time when they were refusing to discuss making improvements to attract & keep RNs...
They said "well theres a shortage of healthcare administrators - we have to offer top dollar to attract & keep the best CEO & leadership". Our immediate response: "sooooooo you DO understand the concept of attractive recruitment & retention incentives. Now apply that to your nurses."
But they still refused & the RNs had a 4 month strike to get it.
If the administrators understand the need to boost their own salary & perks in order to find & keep quality administrators, why wont they apply the same prinicple to finding & keeping quality nursing staff? I fail to see the difference.
Whats good for the gander should be good for the goose.
Aug 21, '02Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 3,165; Likes: 59this is exactly why I refuse to hear them say they can't "afford" to pay nurses better.
It's a crock.
Aug 21, '02Occupation: Utilization Review, prior Intake Mgr Home Care Specialty: 40 year(s) of experience in Home Care, Vents, Telemetry, Home infusion ; From: PA, US ; Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 27,548; Likes: 13,755AMEN JT!
Aug 22, '02Joined: Jun '00; Posts: 1,017; Likes: 32Ahh, Karen, I should have asked you for a copy of this article a while back. I had taken my copy of that issue of Revolution in to work, left it on the table on the breakroom and it mysteriously disappeared. First I thought one of my coworkers had taken it home to read and that I would get it back, that's happened before. After a week though I posted in the breakroom for whoever had my magazine would they please drop it in my mailbox as it had an article I wanted to be sure and keep. This article. Still nothing. 3 days later my note was down, so I posted it again. Next day it was down, so I went to my nurse manager and as much as I like my actual job, I dislike her. Asked her about it, and while she attempted to play the innocent, she did it quite poorly. So now when I want to share something with my coworkers I copy it and then lay it on the breakroom table. I'm quite delighted to now have a copy of the article I wanted. Don't think you could find the full study that is quoted in the recent Revolution in which it shows that US government is already paying 60% of healthcare costs could you? I have looked but must not be using the right keywords, because I can't find it. You seem to be able to find everything.
Aug 22, '02Occupation: Utilization Review, prior Intake Mgr Home Care Specialty: 40 year(s) of experience in Home Care, Vents, Telemetry, Home infusion ; From: PA, US ; Joined: Oct '00; Posts: 27,548; Likes: 13,755Helen:
Are there any sources listed to article?
Couldn't find 60% figure quote. DID find federal info pie chart listing federal spending= 45% healthcare.
The Nation's Health Dollar: 2000-Where it came from,Where it went
Link for 2000 breakdown of costs + projections
Look in yellow box at these article; click "Health accounts" for more info.
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Aug 23, '02Occupation: Nurse Educator Specialty: 16 year(s) of experience in Gerontological, cardiac, med-surg, peds ; From: US ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 12,037; Likes: 6,467As bad as it seems, you have to remember that the CEO's will work where the money is. You want a good CEO you have to pay a market rate, whether public or private.
Aug 23, '02Occupation: Retired Specialty: 15 year(s) of experience in Corrections, Psych, Med-Surg ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 2,246; Likes: 48Well, Vicky, you could make that suggestion to the board of directors, since they are the people who hire the titles to run the operation. If you truly have a better idea for restructuring, they would no doubt be willing to hear it. Or read it.
Feb 17, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 3,125; Likes: 2,996Quote from sjoeOLD POST ALERT!!But I wanted to bring it back to prove a point, 5 years ago this was bad, look how much worse it has gotton , if nothing is done where will it end? As for the person in quotes, the government has stepped in when price gougeing has occured.Runaway profits due to greed may well be the end of private healthcare .UKRNinUSA: You mean that grocery stores should not profit from selling food to people who would otherwise be miserably hungry? If so, they would soon go out of business. And utility companies should not profit from selling electricity or gas to people who would otherwise be miserably cold? If so, why would they bother to do so? And I suppose none of us should accept a salary for providing healthcare services to people who would otherwise be miserable? If so, would YOU show up for work? Neither would I.Last edit by Simplepleasures on Feb 17, '07
Feb 17, '07Joined: Nov '06; Posts: 3,125; Likes: 2,996Quote from colleen10The implosion has begun.Do any of you think that one day this system will just implode?
Feb 17, '07Joined: Aug '05; Posts: 184; Likes: 60Quote from Vsummer1I've heard that one before, since of course this discussion doesn't take place only amoung healthcare employees! But I would argue that their pay should be tied to performance. And PART of that performance should be how well managed the place really is -- not just how the stockmarket reacts. Pres. Bush almost said it the other day, but he said to tie it to the "value to the stakeholders" -- and there's so much more to performance than that. I work for an automotive supplier, so I would say that true success would be figuring out how to make profits, please the stockholders, AND keep manufacturing jobs in the US.As bad as it seems, you have to remember that the CEO's will work where the money is. You want a good CEO you have to pay a market rate, whether public or private.
Don't get me wrong, I think they are ALL overpaid and I even almost hate defending the buggers, but... you want good leadership you gotta pay for it.