Nurses from other units to start IV's

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I'm relatively new to nursing (at least hospital nursing). After moving to a hospital setting in March, I am slowly beginning to be successful at IV starts. At this point this is the only thing that makes me nervous and anxious and my heart drop when I hear that a direct admission is coming in. Some days, which I am sure is common with most people, I can start 4 IV's in a row, no problem. Other days, I can't win with anyone. We do not have an IV team in my place of employment. I work PM's, so I am pretty much on my own. I can never ask my co-workers to start IV's (it's rare) because they usually say no because they are too busy. I always try my best when I start an IV, but I am not going to stick someone more than three times because I think that is mean. If we can't start an IV, we are supposed to call the house supervisor, who will see which unit is able to spare a nurse to do an IV start.

Today, there were three nurses on PMs, and right at 4pm we received 3 direct admissions and one transfer from the ICU, so one of us had to take on two new patients. For the life of me, I could not start the IV, so I called the supervisor, who was in the ICU and said that she would send someone up. Usually the ICU is very busy and the nurse doesn't show up right away, which is very understandable and not an issue. A nurse did show up right away, and I thanked her for coming, and showed her the patient room. I left to continue with my admission orders. The ICU nurse returned about 5 minutes later, pretty much yelled at me because the guy apparently had really big veins and she had a neuro patient in the ICU that she needed to get to. She wanted to know if I had asked anyone else on the unit before I called ICU because she didn't have time to do IV starts like this. The other nurses on my unit were behind me and stated that yes, I did ask them but we had gotten slammed with admissions.

My issue with this is that 1)yes, I am brand new to IV starts and it's already embarrassing for me to call for help; 2)I would have totally understood if the ICU nurse had called and said that she couldn't come up because she was busy with her patient;

3) I thought nurses were supposed to work together?

I was just surprised and embarrassed I guess. The IV start wasn't an emergency, which I let the supervisor know. I know that other units, especially ICU is usually very busy, but the nurse could have called me and told me this (they usually do). I am relatively new to nursing, like I said, and I am just starting to feel helpless.

I stink at starting IVs. I've been a nurse for almost 15 yrs, but I work in LTC. Most of our IVs come from the hospital as Picc, central lines or midlines. I only work pt so I have little opportunity for practice. On the rare occasion that we get an order or need to restart, I will try. (remember..this is the elderly and alot of times dehydrated or sick) If I can't get it, I will ask for help (have an awesome LPN I work with) If we can't get it we call an IV team.

Since you already seem to be able to start IVs okay....stick with it and in time you will be the "pro" that they call.

As far as the nurse...stand your ground next time. I would tell him or her that you tried xyz, asked for help from you coworkers, then called the super and told them that it wasn't a STAT thing.

Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.

Don't let it get to you, her angry probably had nothing to do with you or the situation. Sounds like someone who was having a bad day and decided to dump on you.

I work in the ICU and when we get called to do IV starts on the floor we only go if we're able. If I run up to do an IV start and leave a "neuro patient" that I "have to get to", well, that's on me.

Specializes in Peds general and ICU/Comm. Disease RN.

I agree with previous posts for the most part. You must let that kind of stuff run off your back...... I am not saying allow someone to walk over you and be rude, but in our profession stress is always present. The ICU RN could have just lost a patient or possibly been yelled at herself from someone else....I would say that kind of experience is the exception rather than the rule. I have been in the biz for 20 ish years and I am proud to say that my experiences have mostly been about us RN's working together! Hang in there.

Thank God for IV nurses!

Ya gotta have a thick skin and just ignore those sort of stupid comments. I totally relate to your comment about good and bad IV days, though. Some days I can't miss and I feel "like a pro" and other days . . . bleagh!!!

Even the IV experts have their good and bad days. You just shrug it off and continue your nursing care.

Specializes in CRNA.

To me, this is just another example that further proves the lack of useful education in nursing schools today. Something as simple as placing an IV is a task learned through repetition. It is a shame that while a nursing student is bombarded with theory, cultural sensitivity and nursing diagnosis...they can expect roughly ten minutes of IV training that most likely will be provided by a computer simulation (not even a real homosapien).

My advice to the OP, don't take your frustration out on the ICU nurse that solved your problem. This will accomplish nothing. Be proactive and go down to the ER where you can get with a few nurses that can provide some pointers. Then practice, practice, practice. With enough repetition, you will become competent in a skill that should have been covered in school.

Specializes in Acute Care, CM, School Nursing.
I'm sorry you work at such a cruddy, hostile, toxic place. People act like that either because they're allowed or even encouraged (divide and conquer) by management. I'd suggest you to start looking for something better; trust me, you'll be much happier in a better environment.

I used to be great at IV starts and now I suck. I'm average at best. So don't feel bad, it happens. My eyesight is getter worse and those retractable IVs totally throw me off. I'm not going to apologize for it. If I can't physically do something, I can't physically do something. And you shouldn't feel bad either. This is a administration issue. They should a)start an IV team or b)stop tolerating lateral violence or c)quit short-staffing so much that patient care is compromised.

Wow, I'm so glad to hear someone else say they don't like the retractable IV catheters! The hospital where I did my clinicals for my RN refresher class had those. I wasn't able to get a single one in successfully! :( I do understand that I'm very rusty when it comes to inserting IVs. But, I like the ones where you advance the catheter off the needle yourself. I wonder if any hospitals still use those??

Specializes in oncology.

I can totally relate to you: IV starts are the thorn in my side. I've been working 6 months and in my entire nursing career - including school - I've had but 1 successful IV insertion. I attribute part of this to the fact that I was only given 2 occasions in nursing school to attempt an IV insertion - a complete disservice, I've discovered. Secondly, I work on a medical oncology unit where most patients have central lines coupled with really really crappy veins so the opportunities for starts are somewhat few and far between and generally have dismal results.

In your case, you have taken the high road and I see absolutely nothing wrong with how you tackled your IV start problem. I don't think any patient should be stuck more than twice by the same RN if s/he can't start an IV.

If an IV is necessary I will *always* thoroughly assess a patient's veins and if I feel something I might be able to get, I will certainly try. Patients are people, not just my pin cushions, so if I can't start it I will go to the best IV start nurse on my unit and ask them. I work with a team of wonderful nurses so it hasn't been a problem. I also offer to swap some work from them (e.g., grab vitals on their primary patient, run to the lab for blood products, etc) so it's not a total burden on their time.

Finally, I think we have to look at the big picture here: nursing is about more than IV starts. There are plenty of other aspects to the job that I am sure you are handling beautifully, so do keep those in mind! We can't beat ourselves up too much. :)

Specializes in Oncology, LTC.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You guys have made me feel so much better! I'm not worried about it anymore- I need to learn not to take certain things so personally! I feel very supported with everyone's comments :).

Specializes in ER, Trauma.

Way too many years as an EMT, RN, House Supervisor. With iv's, sometimes I'm the bug, sometimes I'm the windshield. BTW, I think your co-workers suck. You help them, they help you, everybody's job is easier and patient care is better.

Always sit down to start your lines, always sit, always sit, always sit, take your time; study the veins direction, size, get correct cath size, use a bp cuff for hard sticks, try "floating in" ivs with fluid when pts have that see through skin and veins blow easily. Aim small/miss small.

Best of luck.

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