So much anger

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When I first came to this forum in 2015 I was already done with my monitoring program but was hoping I could add some experience, strength and hope to help others get through this process, There was a lot of real support that I don't see now. There's a lot of anger some of it very justified by people who were never impaired at work, who got in some kind of trouble prior to even becoming a nurse or for people sucked in due to mental health issues.You know who you are and this is not aimed at you. I myself was never impaired at work but I was a garden variety arm chair alcoholic that was slowly spinning out of control and I have no doubt it would have spilled over into my work eventually. I self-referred to my states program after a failed suicide attempt. Ultimately I did need the discipline the program provided and I feel I would be dead today if things had happened differently.

If you are here for diversion of narcotics it might interest you to know that this was considered a felony before these monitoring programs started. Nurses were stripped of their licenses, prosecuted and sent to prison, sometimes for as long as three years.

For those of us who battle addiction it's important to remember that addiction is a disease of self-will run riot. Those who suffer from it have 2 character flaws in common, anger and resentment. My therapist was a nasty woman who told me that I needed to start living or get on with dying. I had to let go of all my anger and resentment in order to reclaim my life. I followed every rule, went to every meeting, got an approved job and always asked for some stipulation or another to be lessened or canceled every time I went in front of the diversion enforcement committee. So much so that I had my narcotic privileges within a year. I was never bullied, belittled or made to feel less than because of my addiction and by choosing to be open with friends about my circumstances, I learned who my friends really were.

I never burned any bridge with anyone.

Today I am happy, grateful and free of the clutches of my addiction. The job I got while in monitoring ignited a passion for Mental Health Nursing that has become a career I love. It always hurts me to see my profession so looked down upon by nurses who think they are better than psych nursing. Frankly Psych nursing requires a lot of outside the box thinking.

There's always a time to complain and B & M. But instead of egging on people's anger and despair maybe we should be trying to help by giving real examples of how to deal with the situation described.

Hppy

Specializes in OR.
This is false...check current law. Like many forced into 12 step fairy tail land...each person and scenario are "individual" please don't muddy the water any more with uninformed "cookie cutter" statements. Thx

I, personally have been able deduct dang near entirely what I've spent on this charade but that is only because I've had other significant medical expenses in most years that got me to that threshold, plus I've worked either not at all or not enough, so that I make it to that 7.5% or 10% or whatever the number is and it balances out. Plus I am single, no kids. But that's me.

What this year's tax scam is going to do? I have no bloody idea. I am holding on to all my receipts, but I have the ugly feeling that the days of being able to do that are kaput. Plus I've been pretty healthy so far this year (knock on wood) so I may be eating the expenses.....

One thing that may be of interest that I do is the cost of the weekly gabfest known as the nurse support group, I deduct as a professional expense. If I consider the description, it is a required expense to retain my professional license..... I don't know how much of what we've (I've) been claiming under medical that may be going away can be shunted to a professional expense?

>>>>makes note to call my tax guy in a couple of weeks.>>>>>

Yeah I'm having a hard time conceiving how you can deduct it as a medical expense. The program doesn't really follow a medical diagnosis nor is its "treatment course" overseen by medical professionals. Where I'm at its the same program regardless of "diagnosis" overseen by social workers. After all if it was a medical expense I think our insurance would cover it. However, I can see it as a professional expense as we need to do these requirements to keep our nursing licenses. Interesting points but like I said I'm a standard deduction kinda guy unless I buy another house or condo which may compel me to itemize my deductions

Specializes in OR.

I filed the P tests under unreimbursed medical expenses, because well it's medical and not reimbursed. Segueing back to the topic of anger inducing antics (sort of) I used to see where we could access some kind of form to submit for insurance reimbursement. That was a complete joke because it had no Dr's order and no CPT code or diagnosis on it. Even the best insurance company would kick it back and rightfully so. Besides, what they'd be willing to reimburse would probably be no where close to what we have to pay up front. The last time I went looking for that, it had disappeared. I wonder if someone pointed out what a crock that was.

Given the tax scam of late, I think most medical deductions are going bye bye anyway, and I am undoubtedly going to be a standard deduction type too. I hope my tax guy can cram all this into professional expenses....it'd be nice....

It still all circles back to the frustration of non support by the programs and lack of information on very important issues (like taxes) that forces us to resort to the 3rd hand rumors and innuendo, some of which ranges from scary to downright absurd. By the time you are at this a few years, one's absurd-ometer is pretty well tuned, but those folks that are just starting are freaked and scared out of thier minds. It's no wonder there is so much anger and bitterness, even from people who are appropriately on this roller coaster through hades.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Women's Health, LTC.
However, I can see it as a professional expense as we need to do these requirements to keep our nursing licenses. Interesting points but like I said I'm a standard deduction kinda guy unless I buy another house or condo which may compel me to itemize my deductions

I think I will check to see if they can be deducted as professional expense? They are required, in a sense.

I, also, have no other deductions (single gal, grown kid, blah, blah, blah).

Yeah, "deductible" stuff means nothing unless you itemize & I don't

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).

Just want to say that if you are in Southern California I can refer you to a diversion friendly employer. What happens after you interview is up to you

I believe that the one's who criticize are the ones who couldn't find a job like you had, the one you and others (so-called) ruined by your diversion or other behavior. Then you turn around get a chance. Those ones probably didn't ever get a chance to work on med surg, ED, ICU, etc and learned that you get 9 lives while they never got a chance.

Specializes in OR.

Wow.

These are words of wisdom from a 'new LPN (of 6 or so months) who has lost their motivation to be a nurse?' Yes I looked at the poster's profile and other posts for insight in what they were writing in a thread on anger amongst nurses dealing with addiction/alcohol and mental health issues.

This writer clearly is apparently perfect or has no friends or family with drug/alcohol/mental health issues. Must be nice to be so that you feel you can lash out at one of us not so perfect humans that have made mistakes, owned thier mistakes, paid thier dues and are now trying to pass on what they have learned in the hopes of making the trail a little easier for someone else.

That kind of judgemental nastiness is why we close ranks on each other and are so scared to ask our own for help before it is too late.

Wow.

These are words of wisdom from a 'new LPN (of 6 or so months) who has lost their motivation to be a nurse?' Yes I looked at the poster's profile and other posts for insight in what they were writing in a thread on anger amongst nurses dealing with addiction/alcohol and mental health issues.

This writer clearly is apparently perfect or has no friends or family with drug/alcohol/mental health issues. Must be nice to be so that you feel you can lash out at one of us not so perfect humans that have made mistakes, owned thier mistakes, paid thier dues and are now trying to pass on what they have learned in the hopes of making the trail a little easier for someone else.

That kind of judgemental nastiness is why we close ranks on each other and are so scared to ask our own for help before it is too late.

I believe they just asked for a reason. Not saying no one was trying to help. When you're the so-called 'good' nurse, you still get fired, appear before the board, dirty laundry hung for everyone to see.

Cat,

Yeah!!!! LOL, It must be Awesome to be "SOOOO FREAKIN SUPERIOR"!!! There is another thread that I'm finally done with because a participant was just really hateful and was so judgemental! He evidently knew EVERYTHING about monitoring. At first I thought he was maybe a BON or Monitoring program lackey. After reviewing his historical posts; he has a habit of trying to incite discord, has a history of VERY prejudiced and racially charged comments, and is very aggressive in posting his super great and all knowing opinions . He has a history of being in the military and "law enforcement" HAAAAHAAAA.. (Citizen's Arrest, Citizen's Arrest!!! Welcome Barney :/). Makes me really question why they are no longer in "law enforcement". With this kind of absolute TOOL in nursing, I'm really sorry that I ever opted to stay in nursing. I would much rather have a compassionate nurse with a previous history of substance abuse; than have an aggressive, arrogant, sociopath taking care of me or my family. And per your previous comment about nursing having those with "judgemental nastiness"..Yep.. that's why I sought out this forum to NOT deal with the nursing sharks, but to have the ability to get strength and comfort from those in the same predicament. Having a Horses' A** comment about their "Wizard of OZ" all knowing superiority (despite not being in our situation) , call us flat out LIARS multiple times, and just try to instigate problems makes me want to crawl back in my shell !

Anger is short lived for me, I burn out. I'm not an angry individual by nature, meaning I can get angry, but the anger fades. What I feel is weariness. The fall out of a recent, out of the blue 'positive' for Etg is still a 'thing' in my life right now. When I say 'out of the blue,' I mean no shady missed checkins, no dilutes, nothing...

I have had a fairly serious job offer, after what I feared was a blight of Biblical proportions. I was granted permission to work in a treatment setting prior to the 'positive.' Apparently, that was taken off the table and I didn't know that. So, I've been pursuing this area. I would be great at it. I took my addiction about as low as I could. Multiple IPN referrals ( I wasn't compliant ), arrest, drug court, cancer ( while in drug court ). I have been through all of it, but I still believe in hope. And I'd love to impart that hope and the wisdom I've gained. I've been clean and sober since 9/25/13.

Anyway, I find out Tuesday that to work in a treatment setting, I need 2 years of documented sobriety. The 'positive' urine means I don't have that. Even with 2 pEths, hair, urine to refute the validity of that positive.

I didn't even get angry this time. I was crestfallen. OMG...

If I was trying to use or drink and get away with it, I would've done what I did in the past when I wasn't serious about recovery ( used someone else's urine!) But, that's not what I'm doing. I didn't know I had consumed anything ( if I did and it wasn't contamination ), I just showed up for my screen like I always do. I didn't hide anything because I had nothing TO hide. And IPN knows this... The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior with an addict. If I'm using/drinking I don't pee out positive urines. Ugh...

So, while I respect that there is suspicion, nothing about this situations presents my MO. I deserve suspicion. I'll take it. But, in the face of suspicion, exhausting all feasible options ( short of a liver biopsy ) to prove my innocence in the face of accusation, if my labs show I didn't use/drink, please find me not-guilty. That's all I ask. Don't use my past against me, because I have a past.

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