Nurses can cry too

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I came on at 7p on Sunday night, first night of 3 in a row. Received report on a 79 yo male patient that had multiple issues: Heart cath found 5 vessel collapse except the LAD, possibly go for CABG. Dayshift battled hypotension with SBP in 70's. IV contrast dye shot the kidneys-crea 0.9 to 4.9 in 2 days. MD ordered fluid boluses with Lasix in between them and to infuse 100 ml/hr. Finally got SBP above 100. Very little urine output of course but MD said that his kidneys will soon wake up, keep the fluids going. His abdomen was distended and firm and was the same from admission. Pt had good bowel sounds and no other complaints. Sunday morning CT showed swollen liver, pancreas, and intestines; only treatment would be surgery. The pt decided to make himself a complete DNR after everything going on. Okay, I can deal with that.

I go to meet the patient with the day shift nurse and he is laughing, cheerful, in a good mood, has family around, no distress at all and no complaints. He doesn't even look like he is 79, more like 63. I made sure to listen to his lungs for crackles and his bowels, o2 sat 96% on 2 LNC, no issues at all. Okay, so my thoughts are he isn't going to die tonight. Hopefully he can get some good rest since he had a busy day.

At 1950 I go to take his IV morphine and his PO meds. No crackles, no chest pain, no distress....we are joking back and forth, everybody is happy. Family goes to dinner and who is left is his niece and son. At 2020, family calls out and says he is c/o SOA. I knew immediately what was going on. I called respiratory for a non-rebreather. I go into the room and I can definitely hear the crackles without auscultation. I turned off the IV fluids, o2 sat in the 70's. I walk out and call the MD on call. He was very nice on the phone and talked for about 10 min. Told me that there is nothing I can do because the DNR order and keep him comfortable with morphine and to double the dose. (sigh) Alrighty....I call chaplain. Got the IV morphine, and when I am walking out, I glance up at the monitor and he was already having EKG changes. I run to the room and ask the family to step out so I can talk to them.

Most of the family left and the son and I were left. The pt was gray, diaphoretic, and staring up at the ceiling. I called his name and he looked at me and I asked him if he was okay and he stated, "Ally, I am okay." I slammed the morphine and tried to get his blood pressure. I took my stethoscope and listened to his lungs and he then aspirated and fluids started pouring out from his mouth and nose onto my gloved hands and all over his front. I stepped back in shock. The son started to cry as I washed my hands, then bowed my head, grabbed the son's hand and said a prayer. (Son told me he wasn't going to tell anyone what happened at the end.) The niece walked in and joined us. I asked them to step out so that I may do post-mortem care. I was alone in the room and then I just started balling. The tears started to pour out and I was angry. I kept telling myself there was more I could do. He basically drowned and that image is forever in my mind. I was so sad for the family and felt bad for sending the family to dinner and telling them that he was comfortable and to go enjoy themselves since they were there for 3 days straight in the hospital. I was so confused and so upset. It all happened so fast, like in 15 min. I get tore up just thinking about it now.

Then the daughter came running in and I immediately stopped her. I stepped right in front of her view. He was such a mess that I DID NOT want her to see her father that way. She screamed at me saying that I told her to go to dinner and that he was going to be okay. I told her that I was so sorry. She was so hysterical. She noticed that I had been crying and asked me why I was crying, he wasn't my father. I kept apologizing to her. She asked if he went peacefully and I told her he wasn't in any pain, that is what also the son told the others. She finally walked out and me and the techs provided post-mortem care.

After the paperwork was done and the funeral came to take the patient, the hysterical daughter called me into the hall and apologized up and down to me for the way she acted. I told her not to worry about it, thats the least of her concerns. I was happy to be his nurse and I wished them the best and would pray for her and the family. About 3 am later that night, the daughter calls and sounds belligerent asking me all these questions what happened. I told her I wasn't able to talk about what happened and needed to talk to his doctor. I received calls the next night from the family but we decided to just say that I wasn't that night and to send a thank you card.

This has been really rough. I came home and just cried. The boyfriend was so helpful and just let me vent so kudos to him :) Some of my co workers weren't very helpful so this is why I get on here. So thanks for listening. Nursing has its ups and downs and this was a down moment. I know we deal with death but hey, we are human beings and we, nurses, can cry too :crying2:

Specializes in i pull sheaths :).

I have found that if you do not feel ANYTHING when someone passes, you may want to find another career. I am not saying to blubber or anything. You have to have some sympathy/empathy for the family because they are hurting. Plus the family always remembers the nurses who care for the loved ones. Then sometimes nurses are the only ones at the bedside when someone passes, its more common than you think. That is why nurses are special :redbeathe

I am glad that you all are seeing where I am coming from. I have tried to talk to my co workers but they think its a story telling competition. So frustrating!!! Thanks for the hugs too and the good replies. I held my dog for 2 hrs when I got home. I still do my what if's like turning off the fluids but then is SBP would have dropped or maybe NG tube to relieve the pressure. I don't know.

To the repliers that are not nurses yet:

You do find your own way to cope. Some patients that die will get to you and some won't. Yes, it is very sad when ANYBODY dies. But this man to me, went way too fast and too soon. This was traumatic to see because it was like he was killed. He didn't just fall asleep; as nurses, we are always to taught to keep patients comfortable and pain free and keep them safe from any harm. And I tried my darndest to keep him from not hurting and be safe. Just remember to be helpful and professional and give hugs. I have had a few recurring nightmares about him and the way he went. You have to find closure. Me, the post-mortem care and reading the obit to see what his life was like has helped me with this. As a nurse I have accepted responsibility to care for pts from birth till death. Yes, my pt died but my main priority was then the family.

Specializes in Critical Care.

I don't understand why the doctor didn't give him bipap or vent him or do dialysis. Just because he was a NC4 shouldn't mean such interventions would be refused. He wasn't a hospice patient after all.

Is this common practice or had the patient refused ventilation and dialysis even in the short term till he'd have a chance to make a turnaround?

I would be sad and broken hearted if he died in front of me and I thought he would be ok and his family thought he was ok. Is this an ICU or med-surg or step down unit?

Was he on tele, did he have an arrythmia?

An NG tube most likely would not have relieved any pressure, this man most likely died from severe R and L sided heart failure along with renal failure.

L sided =adventitious lung sounds, tachypnea, orthopnea, decreased spO2

R sided= peripheral edema, hepatomegaly, ascites, decreased appetite

Most likely the fluids were from his lungs, and the swelling in his abdomen and organs was from his heart failure. I've seen pt's in fluid overload cough up crazy looking fluids that have looked like the classic "frothy pink" to thick yellow "tube feed" consistency ( and the pt was never on tube feeds and it came back negative on gram stain and culture).

Don't beat yourself up over this. Cry, remember, you did your best...let that get you through. Later, take what you have learned clinically, research heart failure, and use this to build your practice.

Specializes in Critical Care.

He wasn't really stable when you think about he, his pressure was in the 70's earlier that day so does that mean he was in ICU?

I just think its sad because maybe his life could have been saved if more aggressive measures were taken by the doctors.

I haven't had this experience where I work even with a NC4. Unless the patient would have been hospice. Is there going to be an autopsy? Do they think he was going into multisystem organ failure. Wonder why his BP had sank into the 70's what was the cause of that because that lead to the cascading events of fluids and then probably flash pulmonary edema. They could have used dopamine or continuous dialysis.

Curious if other nurses have had patients not treated aggressively just because of NC4? Is this common? Isn't there a difference between NC4 and hospice?

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I don't understand why the doctor didn't give him bipap or vent him or do dialysis. Just because he was a NC4 shouldn't mean such interventions would be refused. He wasn't a hospice patient after all.

Is this common practice or had the patient refused ventilation and dialysis even in the short term till he'd have a chance to make a turnaround?

I would be sad and broken hearted if he died in front of me and I thought he would be ok and his family thought he was ok. Is this an ICU or med-surg or step down unit?

Was he on tele, did he have an arrythmia?

OMG. I have an advance directive, and I can tell you I would come back and haunt you if you did that to me. You don't have to be on hospice to decline invasive procedures when the prognosis is terminal.

I cried reading this... I'm a crier and thats just something that people will have to deal with... I try to hide my tears though

I lose it when someone wins the bonus round on Wheel of Fortune (I'm not kidding....:D)

You are human before you're a nurse- and any nurse who forgets she's human needs to go rake leaves for a living (those folks do a good service too!). :)

I'm sorry it was so hard. I had an early 40s male who came into the ED for headaches 3 nights in a row before they did a CT and found brain mets (from melanoma he had JUST had removed- still had sutures)...more tests after admission showed liver, bone, and lung mets...no amount of morphine kept him remotely comfortable (pharmacy had made up a very concentrated PCA). He got various palliative measures, but in a month he was gone. I admitted him. And I pronounced him. He was close to my age at the time and it was a little close to home. And, he was such a nice guy- hard working construction (or something to do with home building) worker just trying to live his life.

I've seen a lot of patients who seem to sense the end is near, and almost fight to hang on until some or all of the family is out of the room...then the family feels guilty for getting a meal for the first time in 2 days....

It sounds like you were the perfect nurse to help this patient and his family :)

Specializes in ICF-MR.

To the repliers that are not nurses yet:

You do find your own way to cope. Some patients that die will get to you and some won't. Yes, it is very sad when ANYBODY dies. But this man to me, went way too fast and too soon. This was traumatic to see because it was like he was killed. He didn't just fall asleep; as nurses, we are always to taught to keep patients comfortable and pain free and keep them safe from any harm. And I tried my darndest to keep him from not hurting and be safe. Just remember to be helpful and professional and give hugs. I have had a few recurring nightmares about him and the way he went. You have to find closure. Me, the post-mortem care and reading the obit to see what his life was like has helped me with this. As a nurse I have accepted responsibility to care for pts from birth till death. Yes, my pt died but my main priority was then the family.

From a pre-nursing student, thank you for sharing! :redbeathe

He wasn't really stable when you think about he, his pressure was in the 70's earlier that day so does that mean he was in ICU?

I just think its sad because maybe his life could have been saved if more aggressive measures were taken by the doctors.

I haven't had this experience where I work even with a NC4. Unless the patient would have been hospice. Is there going to be an autopsy? Do they think he was going into multisystem organ failure. Wonder why his BP had sank into the 70's what was the cause of that because that lead to the cascading events of fluids and then probably flash pulmonary edema. They could have used dopamine or continuous dialysis.

Curious if other nurses have had patients not treated aggressively just because of NC4? Is this common? Isn't there a difference between NC4 and hospice?

I understand how strange this must seem to you. I've had new ICU nurses blow up (quietly) and say the same things you just wrote. Here is what I say, and what the MD's say. "yes we could save him for a while, but there is no fixing what is broken. Eventually this will happen all over again and he and the family will go through the agony of saying goodby and watching him die. This person when discussing his condition with his physician was very clear he wanted a DNR. A DNR is not giving up, it is letting go and allowing nature to take its course. Hospice or Pallitive care involvement is wonderful because they get the family talking about the process of dying and the stages of acceptance. This family didn't get a lot of time for that. Even if they had, the daughter still might have reacted in the same manner. Go back and read the OP 5 vessel collapse, lack of kidney response, multible organ edema...yes dialysis would temporarily fix that but he was "tired" and "after all he had been through before" asked for a DNR. There are times it is so painful to let go when we as health professionals know that there are more (drastic, extreme) measures one could take. Ultimately it is why? If all I am doing is causing more suffering and no quality of life..why? This man spent time talking and laughing with his family, how wonderful that they all will remember that. Better than a bloated boady on a ventilator, unresponsive to their presence

I hope this does not come across as preachy or harsh, it comes from my heart, but posting keeps you from seeing my expression and hearing my tone of voice.

:/

Yes, sadly, there are things worse than death... :(

Specializes in Labor and Delivery, Newborn, Antepartum.

I had my first experience with death about a month ago. Actually, my patient had come in for observation, thinking she was in labor at 32 weeks. I cared for the patient for about an hour and a half, then gave report and left. I got a phone call shortly before my shift the next day notifying me that the patient ended up losing the baby. I was shocked. It didn't hit me until I went into our report room and was hearing report on all these other couplets. I just started sobbing. Then I took report on that patient. As hard as it was, I knew that I had collect myself. I knew it would be a hard shift, but I felt that I had to be strong for the patient. My biggest concern after the obvious (did I do something wrong? Did I miss something?) was "will the patient blame me?" I asked the patient if it was ok if I cared for her that day, and told her that I understood if she didn't want me too. She said it was fine, and I cared for her the rest of her stay at the hospital.

My coworkers were EXTREMELY sensitive and considerate of my feelings. They kept asking me if I was doing ok, if I needed a different assignment. It was my choice to take that patient, I felt like I needed too...for me.

Death is something that we can't avoid. But I hope that you all can have as great of coworkers as I do. The doctor that saw the patient also held a debriefing to go over what happened and discuss our feelings, for all of us that were involved. That was very helpful too. I think the best way to deal with it, is to talk about it and to grieve yourself.

With 5 vessel disease, kidney failure, multiple organ edema, .even if the pt was on IABP, or had an emergent heart pump placed, anything from an impella to BIVAD's with emergent dialysis included most likely would not have saved this man. That is even if the facility that the OP works for had the capability of emergently placing BIVADs.

The thing with inotropes is you are just forcing dead worn out tissue to work harder. The only cure for a dead heart is a new heart. Live a long enough life span and everyone dies. Dying intubated on a vent, hooked up to multiple pressors, unable to converse with family with people pounding on my chest is not how I want to go, not if I have a say.

Specializes in i pull sheaths :).

Like I said he was a COMPLETE DNR. The patient was alert and oriented x4 and he completely understood what was going on. He didn't ask for help, his family did. When he told me 'Ally, I am okay", he knew and I knew what was happening. The patient even refused finger sticks for the blood sugar and his am labs to be drawn later in the shift. He knew. Palliative care was to be consulted the next day because it was the weekend so there was no one that night. And actually the admitting MD called me the next am to check on him and he was SO shocked. And yes the facility I work in can do BIVADS but there would not have been any quality of life. Sound like before he was admitted, his body was already shutting down then had the NSTEMI which brought him into the hospital.

Now complete DNR does not mean to do anything, I understand that. But when a patient has accepted his fate, you have to advocate that and respect that. Thank heavens he decided that earlier on because that would have been a horrible code and he would have never made it off the vent.

New nurses will learn the difference between the different DNRs. Some pts want the ACLS meds but no vent or feeding tubes or no shocking. Then there are some pts that want to go on naturally.

BTW I work on an Interventional Cardiology. We deal with cardiac/renal stent placements and pacemakers. All the NSTEMI/STEMI/chest painers come to us. And of course we get a lot dumped on us. Also get the CABG's and COPD's.

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