Should BSN be required entry level for practicing nurses? - page 4
I am very interested in this subject, and also curious how NP's will reply. The answer in my own mind is clear. Should the nursing shortage be a factor in making a decision such as this? What do... Read More
Jul 16, '02Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 3,165; Likes: 59OK, I understand what you're saying but frankly, I feel like nurses are like the abused wife. There is always something "more" that needs to be done before they gain respect and good treatment.
Well, I'm not falling for it. My profession is worthy of respect as it stands. I think our real problem is that we just have very poor PR.
Jul 16, '02Occupation: registered nurse Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,083; Likes: 14I also feel it is deserving of respect as it is, and that PR is a big part of the problem. but the fact still stands that a lot of youg adults and teenagers surveyed feel the need to attenda 4 yr program to be considered a profession. wether this is right or wrong is a matter of opinion. so either we have to make it more attractive or change their opinion. which do you think is easier? I personally find it is easier to make it more attactive that to change the majority of peoples opinions. this i get from yrs of dealing with people and the public.
Jul 16, '02Joined: Dec '01; Posts: 3,165; Likes: 59Hmmm...
I disagree with that. I think it'd be way cheaper in the long run to get ourselves a better public image, improve pay, benes, pension, and work environment.
Why? because people in the general public think, "good pay, important job, important job, professional."
A computer programmer is a professional, but what makes your ears perk up when you hear the title? The intellectual proficiency or the hundred-thousand-dollar-a-year salary?
To the average guy on the street, it's the money that engenders the respect. Oh yes, they respect smarts. But if a person is really smart, they'll get the money too.
My son is not a high-school grad. He lays tile. He makes $28 an hour and he's in a strong union. In the eyes of the general public, instant respect. He makes more money and has better benefits than I do, and I've had 5 years of college.
We keep trying to get the respect of the general public (who has the average reading skills of a 12-year-old) by talking over their heads. We lose the audience.
But it's an audience we need.
Jul 16, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Jan '02; Posts: 1,732; Likes: 1I think the real problem is nurses refuse to accept each other for the abilities they have. I plan on putting this clinic hours thing to rest forever. I am going to do some research here about some programs, please look for a post from me. Respect each other, help each other, lift up each other. Be proud that you are nurses.
Jul 16, '02Occupation: Work for semiconductor company Joined: Apr '02; Posts: 10; Likes: 2Credentials, respect, reward, and job satisfaction - it is a vicious cycle! I am a Certified Occupational Health Nurse, with 31 years of experience in several different areas of nursing. I am sick and tired of nurses eating their young! Occ Hlth Nurses need a lot of experience in nursing to be effective, and we don't have many young nurses going into the field. As a population, nurses as a whole are OLD! I see other professions getting the respect and reward we long for. I finally now make the kind of salary that my engineer son commands shortly after graduating! And he doesn't make life-or-death decisions! Nurses, we ain't got no respect!!! And, guess what? We won't get it until our minimum educational standards equal other professions. It is just a fact of life, people. We have excellent nurses from all the types of preparation, but we need unity of purpose and a BSN minimum in order to attract young men and women of quality. Our legislators need to wake up and realize that the nursing shortage will continue unless $$ is allocated forto educate nurses to become educators of student nurses. Universities must have $$ to keep the schools open and growing. Again, we will never really be professionals without that minimum BSN degree. This is not the opinion of nurses only, but the opinion of the rest of the world out there. Nurses are trusted and loved, but not respected as professionals! I hear and see us destroying ourselves - we have to change the way we present ourselves to the world.
Nurses - kwitchyur*****in, write your representatives in government, and support one another. Otherwise you can kiss it goodbye!!!
Jul 16, '02Occupation: RN Joined: Dec '00; Posts: 826; Likes: 16I believe this is the zillionth time this question has been posted on this board. We are all entitled to our personal opinions, and need to be respectful of others. Yes, I believe our profession would get more respect if the BSN were the required entry (as is required for teachers.) I believe if this were the case, entry salaries would be higher. Just think that teacher's salaries more than double during their career -- even if they stay in the same position. This does not happen in nursing.
However, I do not believe that a diploma/ADN/BSN is the most important thing for a REGISTERED NURSE -- being bright, caring, holistic, team-playing, patient advocate, keeping current on education/skills. solid critical thinking skills, maintaining grace under pressure -- these are what make an RN great. And NO entry nurse (whether diploma/ADN/BSN) possesses these -- they come with experience.
I earned my ADN first -- then felt it was important for ME to earn my BSN. Each degree was "right" for me at the time. I do not believe that education is ever a waste. Don't generalize that "nurses with this or that degree" have little clinical experience -- as long as they come with a solid theory base -- we can teach them the clinical skills. More importantly -- can they apply their theory to clinical situations through good critical-thinking skills? I have never never never heard ONE nurse where I work speak about diploma vs. adn vs. bsn -- perhaps because we all work together as a team and we each bring important life skills and experience to our positions.
Peace to all the diploma nurses, adn nurses, and bsn nurses.
Remember -- KINDNESS COUNTS. Sue
Jul 17, '02Occupation: cardiovascular clinical nurse specialist Joined: Oct '01; Posts: 45; Likes: 1THis debate has been going on for as long as I have been a nurse (22 yrs). Sadly I don't see a positive answer. I agree with many of the previous responses that support a BSN as entry level requirement We will never view ourselves, or be considered by others to be professionals if we have less. As mentioned, most other health care providers (occupational therapists, physical therapists, dieticians, radiology technicians, nuclear technicians) have bachelors degrees. THey need to know we are equal in educational backgrounds. I can't even believe this is still an issue but with the current shortage, and demand for nurses to be "mass produced" it will probably only worsen.
Jul 20, '05Joined: Jul '05; Posts: 5I was just curious. I am currently taking an online course working towards my BSN. I am currently AAs nursing with about one year left for BSN. I was always under the impression the proposal was fro BSN to be the entry level for professional nursing. I am new to this board but plan on coming back for more. CYA