NP education - a rant

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I came to the site today and saw lot's of posts of wonderfully excited people interested in becoming NP's. The vast majority of the tones of education were: "I have the opportunity to become and NP through an advanced MSN program" or "I'm sales person at Target with a Bachelors in sociology, and with just one year of school I can become an RN then get my NP degree!!!"

Sorry about this but....Being a nurse practitioner is more than just getting the degree. The job requires experience. Not a year of med surg, not a two year Master's, but some real NURSING experience. We are NURSE PRACTITIONERS, that's nurses with additional skill to allow the diagnosis and treatment of patient problems. It requires the inate skill that makes a nurse magnified to the 'nth degree. What makes good providers as NP's is the same characteristic that made them good nurses. It's experience.

I'm not on a high horse, just an NP that has seen too many "rammed through the system, get their money" NP's. This job is serious. It's serious on several levels. First and formost, you are being entrusted with the care of people that put their complete fath in you to make good decisions and provide quality care.

This IS different that being a nurse. How many times have you sat back as a nurse and berrated a provider about their choice of treatment plan or pushed for the provider to make a decision and get on with it. That all changes when you're the one with the RESPONSIBILITY for the decision. Yeah, it's an ear infection, yeah amox should do the job. Are you ready to commit fully to giving someones most honored item, their child, a drug that could kill them??? It's not cook book. It requires a base of knowledge, experience, reponsibility, and a committment to furthering your skills. It's a lifestyle!

The second group you matter to is the professional community. As NP's, we let the schools go freaking haywire in putting out as much crud as they wanted. They saw dollar signs and began pumping out graduates without regard to job markets or the economy of NP's. Boom, a flood of NP's. Fully half of them are transfer's in from "associated science's". Read sociology, psychology, earth sciences...all able to take their bachelors in science, convert to an RN in one year, and complete their master's in two more. These people may ultimately make good NP's, but not in three years!!!! What makes anyone think that this is the way to put NP's on the map??? What kind of fodder is given to the medical community, especially, to denounce the practice of NP's as being amateurish, poorly skilled, etc. It really opens us up to all kinds of flaming by other medical groups.

If you're an RN, thinking about becoming an NP, don't do it for the salary, chances are you're going to make more as an RN in the right setting. If NP is for you, go out and work, get a job, get several and work in areas like the ER(still, in my opinion, the best experience), community health care, critical care, etc. Then after a couple of years, think about going the MSN/NP route. You will be a better provider, it gives more credence to the profession, and ultimately the little kid with the OM will thank you for your skills.

I know a rant, but it makes me nuts to think that being an NP is anything less than the greatest honor innursing you can become.

I have a friend who had been a certified critical care RN, with a BSN, for 15 years. She went back to school for another 4 years and got her CFNP. She has been looking for an NP job for almost a year, and can't find anything.

Actually, there are accelerated "fast-track" CRNA programs now. You don't have to be an RN to qualify. Just a bachelor's of science degree (not a BSN).

Some people say it's OK and that there's no shortcuts with the requirements. But I have doubts. There seems to accelerated everything these days. It's worrisome.

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I wonder how they are getting away with this. The AANA requires 1 year of critical care experience as an RN to enter an accredited CRNA program. The bachelors can be in something other than nursing (but I think it still has to be a science), but how do they get around the experience requirement - I thought that one was non-negotiable?

You're right. If this info is correct it is VERY worrisome. I wouldn't want someone who took shortcuts pushing drugs into MY veins.

I wonder how they are getting away with this. The AANA requires 1 year of critical care experience as an RN to enter an accredited CRNA program. The bachelors can be in something other than nursing (but I think it still has to be a science), but how do they get around the experience requirement - I thought that one was non-negotiable?

You're right. If this info is correct it is VERY worrisome. I wouldn't want someone who took shortcuts pushing drugs into MY veins.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on that point. From what I understand, they do the one year ICU, after they do a one year accelerated BSN, then the CRNA program. The bachelors does have to be in science.

I just think it's weird that these people aren't even RNs, much less experienced RNs, when they're accepted. That's not the norm at most schools. I thought that was the point of the requirement, that is, to be an experienced ICU nurse, which is why so many schools prefer more than the minimum one year's ICU experience.

Maybe it's ok. But I just have doubts about accelerated programs in general.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear on that point. From what I understand, they do the one year ICU, after they do a one year accelerated BSN, then the CRNA program. The bachelors does have to be in science.

I just think it's weird that these people aren't even RNs, much less experienced RNs, when they're accepted. That's not the norm at most schools. I thought that was the point of the requirement, that is, to be an experienced ICU nurse, which is why so many schools prefer more than the minimum one year's ICU experience.

Maybe it's ok. But I just have doubts about accelerated programs in general.

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Lizz,

Which school is it that is doing this. I would love to see thier websit and find out more information. Are they even credentialed for prepapring nurses to be CRNAs?

Lizz,

Which school is it that is doing this. I would love to see thier websit and find out more information. Are they even credentialed for prepapring nurses to be CRNAs?

From what I've read on the CRNA board, Georgetown and Columbia are doing this with a small number of students in their programs. I don't have the links handy, but they've been posted there. Maybe you could find the info with a board search.

And, someone just posted that they applied to three accelerated CRNA programs, but I don't know what the third program is.

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From what I've read on the CRNA board, Georgetown and Columbia are doing this with a small number of students in their programs. I don't have the links handy, but they've been posted there. Maybe you could find the info with a board search.

And, someone just posted that they applied to three accelerated CRNA programs, but I don't know what the third program is.

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Has anyone actually graduated from this program? :uhoh21:

Has anyone actually graduated from this program? :uhoh21:

Oops. Just FYI, there isn't a third program (at least that I'm aware of). I just checked and misread that post. Sorry.

Yeah, there are people who have graduated from those programs. You can find those posts on some old CRNA threads.

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Oops. Just FYI, there isn't a third program (at least that I'm aware of). I just checked and misread that post. Sorry.

Yeah, there are people who have graduated from those programs. You can find those posts on some old CRNA threads.

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If some have actually graduated, then they are not brand new programs. They would have to have been in existance for at least 4 years. What is their graduation rate from the number of students that have started?

Don't you find it odd that more haven't followed suit if these programs are that successful?

If some have actually graduated, then they are not brand new programs. They would have to have been in existance for at least 4 years. What is their graduation rate from the number of students that have started?

Don't you find it odd that more haven't followed suit if these programs are that successful?

You got me there. I don't know much more than what I've read on the CRNA board.

Here's the link to the Georgetown "direct entry" program info:

http://snhs.georgetown.edu/content.cfm?objectID=1470

They do require experience in a "clinical setting," whatever that means. But, obviously, it's not ICU.

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Sorry - this was a blatt :)

It was a great overview of the NP program by Catskill. The school where I am accepted into the program require students to have at least 15 months of recent clinical experience in their fields along with GPAs and GREs. Finally the school interviews qualified candidates. Once accepted into the program, students are required to have 600 hrs. of clinical experience. I think it also falls on the schools to drill into students that NP jobs are not to be taken lightly. It has its privileges but has more responsibility.

I have met NPs who are dedicated and truly involved in the patient care and safety. I hope to be one like that.

I again commend CATSKILL for a great posting.

Hi,

I am a FNP, BC, I chose to SPECIALIZE in FAMILY practice. When you choose your track (Family,Acute Care, Neonatal, Pediatric, Adult, Geriatric, Adult/Pedi/ or Family Psych) you have chosen your speciality. In the typical NP program, your application will state which track you are applying toward. The minimum of 2 years experience will help you decide your track or speciality- waiting until you are halfway through the program can yield mismanaged course focus.

No, I do not know what I want to specialize in, but I do know I want to be a nurse practitioner. (That would be the point of the 2 years RN experience, before starting the program, and then 3 more during my program!) You don't start to specialize until your MSN, halfway through the FNP program.

I'm sorry I think its smarter to continue with school than to stop, work for 10 years, and then try to go back. Experience is needed, as everyone has said, but I think its ridiculous to try and hold someone back from doing what they really wanted in the first place. That's my opinion

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