advice from management: ADN or BSN - page 2
hello! i was wondering what type of degree was the most sought after, and who better to ask than managers. so what do you recommend, ADN or BSN?... Read More
Sep 3, '03Some one call the fire dept to put the flames out.
Out of curiosity, what does the MSN bring to clinical nursing on the floor. I can say after 25 years, that my BSN did nothing to prepare me for for management. I learned every thing that I know about management and leadership from a Chief Master Seargent in the Air Force when I was a newbi 25 years ago. Nothing I got from my Masters made me a better nurse or a manager. It didn't even get me any more money. Because of my experience I'm already at the top of the scale.
What made me a competent nurse. It was the who took me under her wing as a fresh ADN and showed me what it meant to be a nurse and how to be one.
Now as a DON, I make sure i look at competency and not the letters after the name.
Education is great and I'm still going forward. (2nd masters instead of PhD.
Sep 3, '03Craig....I like your style! I'd work for you any day based on what I read here. Thanks for having an open mind, not being judgemental, and encouraging those who want to pursue nursing as a career to first be passionate about their choice(s), and take the route that best suits their interests, budget, etc. We can't all start in the same place in our lives, so we should not expect every educational choice to be what "we think" it should be for everyone. I am all for expanding one's horizons, increasing one's educational pursuits, and becoming the best at whatever one decides to become.
If I could have chosen which route I'd take as a nurse, I'd still choose AAS degree, take my boards, work one year, and continue my nursing education.......NOT stopping until I get to my doctorates. That's MY...not anyone else's.....but, MY career path for me. What works for one may not work for another. Get real here!
Again, thanks Craig for your open mind and ability to speak intelligently and with a lot of common sense here........now NO amount of education will do that for you.Last edit by live4today on Sep 7, '03
Sep 3, '03I just finalized and landed a head nurse position at an inner city hem/onc unit. MS or MSN was the minimum.
Sep 3, '03To me having advanced degree as a matter of entry for nursing is a sign of professionalism. Would the public be OK with doctors who had training that ranged from two years to seven, and consider them all of equal competence. No education is ever wasted and always enhances practice, whether it be at the bedside or in management. Nurses continue on with your quests to become better educated and thus better able to serve your patients.
One more thing I would like to suggest to yupyup5 that her/his comment to deav was an example of how nursing eats their own. Deav is obviously striving to improve her/his education and does not need to be shot down at the very beginning.
Sep 3, '03If you HAD to have an MSN you know how many good nurses youd lose? I wanted to go pre-med then MD school. But budget (and the fact I dont wanna be 30 and living at home) made me chose nursing. If nursing required a masters youd more than likely see me going to P.A. school or something similar.
Not to mention people would compare it to other jobs.. 7 years for nursing.. or 8 for MD.. hmm..
Sep 3, '03As to the message below, I apologize that a member took my general comment personally. I did not intend to look like I was eating my young as suggested by bea___. To quote that age old saying "walk a mile in my shoes" goes a long way. One cannot judge or rate a degree one doesn't have. I don't have my PhD yet so therefore I wouldn't be able to comment or make a comment as though I already had that PhD.
QUOTEOne more thing I would like to suggest to yupyup5 that her/his comment to deav was an example of how nursing eats their own. Deav is obviously striving to improve her/his education and does not need to be shot down at the very beginning. [/B][/QUOTE]
Sep 4, '03Oh brother...From a grad of an ADN program. I actually do plan on continuing on with an RN-BSN program and plan on starting in January. This has been my plan from the beginning when I chose this route. It may take me a little more time, but so what? My area has an ADN program as well as a BSN program. What helped me make my decision was the NCLEX pass rates and which program had a stronger structure. The ADN program had this.
Also, it doesn't really matter what degree you have ADN or BSN that will make you a good nurse. I know a BSN who has been a nurse for several years, but is considered one of the crappiest, and stuck-up nurses on the unit. I know another BSN of 4 years who is a very good, kind nurse and everyone likes her. I know an ADN with one year experience who admittedly has a lot of room to grow and I know another ADN who graduated with her and works with her who has become very competent in a very short amount of time. It really depends on the person how good a nurse they become and how strong their desire is to be the best they can be in their practice.
Sep 17, '03HELLO!!!!!
In my state ILL we have to take an exam called the HESI test IN ORDER TO SIT FOR STATE BOARDS, on my test day I was placed in a room with 4 year nurses from several universities across the city they had to take the same exam I did but low and behold the ADN students did better on the exam I encountered at least 8 BSN students who failed and will have to retest. I'm wondering how can that be ??????? By the way I attended a community college ADN program, passed state boards in MAY
Oct 2, '03Are we done yet, are we done yet, are we done yet???????
Anyone want to grab their trumphet and play the "Day Is Done" song?
Oct 2, '03To me having advanced degree as a matter of entry for nursing is a sign of professionalism.
I'm going for my ADN because I have a 2 year old and we hope to have another child after I finish. I eventually plan to continue to get my BSN and possibly an advanced degree (if I need to learn more for my chosen career path - not for the prestige of having the degree).
Oct 2, '03We can't even get enough nurses at the bedside now to do all the crap they want us to do. How in the hell would we get enough if raised the min. statndard to a BSN or MSN? I started with a ADN and received a good education went back and got my BSN and now am working on a MSN in anesthesia. Although, having one standard for entry does make more sense and would probable help the profession's image. However, because of supply and demand ( and RNs not willing to work at the bedside) we have to take the current system because the majority of the new RNs are AD prepared as opposed to BSN. That is just way it is for now.Last edit by MICU RN on Oct 2, '03
Oct 19, '03welp since 60% of RN's have an ADN, i guess we are purty substandard, if you believe the ole "BSN is better" line of thinking.
they are NOT better---or even prepared all that differently. I know, I work with a bunch. You cannot tell who has what degree, unless you ask. WE are all PROFESSIONALS, despite our educational path.
I also agree, however, it is critical to continue one's education to maintain currency and competence. To me, that does not necessarily automatically mean "BSN"...it's not possible for everyone for many reasons. Availability is a HUGE problem nationwide, especially in underserved rural areas.