Nurse fired for refusing flu shot

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 2, 2014

No one is forcing you to get the vaccine but if you want to work for the hospital then you will be vaccinated. You have the right to not get the vaccine and the hospital has the right not to continue your employment. No forced vaccinations at all. Why should a hospital want to continue employing healthcare providers that have a complete disregard for their patients and coworkers safety by refusing vaccines (and no hand washing and masks are not an acceptable substitutes)or who fails to utilize EBP?[/quote']
It isn't disregard for patients. It's caring about ME first. And EBP? Bull....I'll post the recent finding that mandated flu vaccines don't help as soon as I can.

allnurses Guide · Jan 2, 2014

It isn't disregard for patients. It's caring about ME first. And EBP? Bull....I'll post the recent finding that mandated flu vaccines don't help as soon as I can.

I keep reading posts, but opinions without proof are nothing but opinions. I have provided massive amounts of research and refuted all sorts of popular myths. I have probably already refuted any study that you can find. Which is probably not even an actual study.

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[TD]Vaccination of health-care workers (HCWs) has been shown to reduce influenza infection and absenteeism among HCWs, prevent mortality in their patients, and result in financial savings to sponsoring health institutions. Influenza vaccination coverage among HCWs in the United States, however, remains low."

http://www.preventinfluenza.org/profs_workers.asp

That paragraph pretty much sums up all the published peer-reviewed scientific research.

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2014.pdf Here is the recommendation to for HCW from the majority of medical and nursing societies.[/TD]

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roser13, ASN, RN · Jan 3, 2014

It isn't disregard for patients. It's caring about ME first. And EBP? Bull....I'll post the recent finding that mandated flu vaccines don't help as soon as I can.

So long as you're prepared to read/accept the rebuttals/reproof that will come and that will disprove the anecdotal "studies" that provide the majority of the anti-vaccine minority with its "evidence."

And I'm pretty sure that "caring about ME first" IS the definition of disregard for patients.

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 3, 2014

I keep reading posts, but opinions without proof are nothing but opinions. I have provided massive amounts of research and refuted all sorts of popular myths. I have probably already refuted any study that you can find. Which is probably not even an actual study.
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[TD]Vaccination of health-care workers (HCWs) has been shown to reduce influenza infection and absenteeism among HCWs, prevent mortality in their patients, and result in financial savings to sponsoring health institutions. Influenza vaccination coverage among HCWs in the United States, however, remains low."

http://www.preventinfluenza.org/profs_workers.asp
That paragraph pretty much sums up all the published peer-reviewed scientific research.
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2014.pdf Here is the recommendation to for HCW from the majority of medical and nursing societies.[/TD]
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I don't think I understand your need to be a jerk. I said I would post something when I was able to. Why would you make such an assumption in your last line? You seem like an arrogant jerk when you phrase things that way.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3502850/

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 3, 2014

So long as you're prepared to read/accept the rebuttals/reproof that WILL come and WILL disprove the organ legends

I posted a study. Here is is for you.

What, in Fact, Is the Evidence That Vaccinating Healthcare Workers against Seasonal Influenza Protects Their Patients? A Critical Review

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 3, 2014

Analysis finds limited evidence for HCW flu vaccination | CIDRAP

Basically...not a lot of proof it works well but it is all we have. So "it is all we have" is enough to force people to inject themselves with a vaccine they don't want? No.

allnurses Guide · Jan 3, 2014

Analysis finds limited evidence for HCW flu vaccination | CIDRAP Basically...not a lot of proof it works well but it is all we have. So "it is all we have" is enough to force people to inject themselves with a vaccine they don't want? No.

Who is being forced?

I have never seen or heard of any person being tied down and forcibly given an influenza vaccine. Have you?

You can link a myriad of critical reviews of extant studies but they do not refute the evidence; examining the literature with a critical eye is not a bad thing, but the article you linked the post before this provides smoke and mirrors but no evidence to refute; it is a wish list of how the studies might be flawed. It is not a "study" it is a critique.

roser13, ASN, RN · Jan 3, 2014

I posted a study. Here is is for you. What, in Fact, Is the Evidence That Vaccinating Healthcare Workers against Seasonal Influenza Protects Their Patients? A Critical Review

All that you've posted is a review of the current reviews.

allnurses Guide · Jan 3, 2014

I don't think I understand your need to be a jerk. I said I would post something when I was able to. Why would you make such an assumption in your last line? You seem like an arrogant jerk when you phrase things that way.
What, in Fact, Is the Evidence That Vaccinating Healthcare Workers against Seasonal Influenza Protects Their Patients? A Critical Review

Maybe I am an arrogant jerk but one that believes in protecting my patients by the use of advanced education and EBP. One article by one person doesn't have a lot of meaning when you are basically saying it supersedes all other articles just because it correlates to your belief system. This author questions timeliness of the research and the methods used that were not clear but he makes no attempts to contact the previous authors to find out more information. That is poor science and data collection right there. I have contacted prominent scientific authors before with questions and they were all quick to respond and extremely helpful.

I do give you kudos though for finding a peer-reviewed scientific article written by someone that actually has a pertinent background in this type of investigation.

http://www.who.int/immunization/position_papers/influenza_grad_efficacy_HCW.pdf

Effect of influenza vaccination of healthcar... [Clin Infect Dis. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI

Editorial Commentary: Influenza Vaccination of Healthcare Workers: Making the Grade for Action (Eloquent rebuttal to the article)

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 3, 2014

Who is being forced? I have never seen or heard of any person being tied down and forcibly given an influenza vaccine. Have you? You can link a myriad of critical reviews of extant studies but they do not refute the evidence; examining the literature with a critical eye is not a bad thing but the article you linked the post before this provides smoke and mirrors but no evidence to refute; it is a wish list of how the studies might be flawed. It is not a "study" it is a critique.[/quote']
So because there are flawed studies...we just follow them?
And saying do this or you are fired feels forced to me...especially when this is happening all over so that hose who do not want it have no employment options.

IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP · Jan 3, 2014

All that you've posted is a review of the current reviews.

Suggesting they are flawed.

allnurses Guide · Jan 3, 2014

Suggesting they are flawed.

No suggesting that the ones the author chose to review and not fully invesigate only meet his personal beliefs and do not correlate with findings of the CDC, WHO, AMA, or ANA. Basing EBP on one study is not how it works. The influenza shot is relatively harmless for the vast majority of people and can/does save thousands of lives per year.