Not eligible due to OR/DR CASES

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jun 8, 2012

If you look there are several threads discussing this issue and I doubt complaining will make any difference. Apparently this rule has been a requirements since the 80's only now is it being enforced.

BennyRNCA · Jun 8, 2012

@westcoastguy, you're dealing with the enforcement of a CA BON requirements that's been established in writing for a couple of decades and the same standards that any and all applicants from CA to out of state to international person must comply with those regulations.

But as I have suggested to a few others here, since you and your classmates have all graduated from the same classes and same graduation year and they all got their ATT except for you, why not simply gather all the names of your friends and classmates that was granted the ATT, give that to your evaluator, along with the school's name and ask for a "reconsideration"? Do it while it's still very fresh in the evaluator's mind of your rejected case.

Don't just tell your evaluator all your friends got in, give them real and confirmed names, otherwise, anyone can claim the same without any hard evidence.

It's worth a try, correct? Good luck!

westcoastguy · Jun 8, 2012

Yeah! cause I have 3 classmates (bacth 2009) and 1 schoolmate (batch 2010) that were here after graduation 2009.

Classmate A-was here 2009 apply for NCLEX eligible w/o cases then passed the RN

Classmate B&C-was here 2009 apply for NLCEX eligible w/o cases but then they failed

Schoolmate D-was here 2010 apply for NCLEX eligible w/o cases then passed the RN

Yeah Im planning to complain so I will tell the name of my classmate A who is RN and schoolmate D who is RN too. I just received my letter this last week of May but then I sent a letter to BRN that I will take LVN so do you think I can still contact BRN and complain. Its now June, its few weeks after since I received my letter.

BennyRNCA · Jun 8, 2012

Hmmm.....I thought that we're talking about just having graduated in the same year, same classes, same graduation month/year, like a shadow. But you're referring to prior years, so while there may have not been any changes to your curriculum, it could be seen as a completely different scenario now. It's still worth a try and now that the ones with the actual RN license, you can get their name and their RN license number to further submit to the evaluator. Double-check their active license status to make sure by looking them up on-line via the CA BON website.

Recognize that someone else here did try to do this and was still denied her ATT, but at least she tried.

The one thing that I would NOT do is to "complain", but rather come off as a reconsideration. If you come across as being too strong or sounding like a whiner or an angry bird, it could sway the evaluator more to deny the application. Nothing worse than to p**s off your main contact person at the CA BON. Just state your facts and ask to be reconsidered.

I would follow-up with this letter and state that you would prefer to take the NCLEX-RN over the taking the LVN exam. I would also this new letter via Certified Mail and Return Receipt Requested, this way, you can show that someone there actually got your letter. You might want to put down your evaluator's name on the envelope, not sure he/she will actually sign for it, but at least the mail room will hopefully deliver your letter to that person.

westcoastguy · Jun 9, 2012

I will make a letter again?? And explain that I changed my mind taking LVN ?

Uhmmm yeah batchmate A is just my bacthmate we're not classmates but we have the same routine in college days I mean we finish our duty cases when we were in 4th year. We are batch 2009

while schoolmate D,even me nd bacthmate A is ahead to schoolmate D because she was batch 2010 we are still the same and was finished her duty cases in her 4thyear.

So now let me clear if I get their RN lic # and wholename? And explain my part to be reconsider? Is it ok to tell their names and bring them in my case? I mean it will not affect their RN lic?

And do I have to talk them via phone? or email or letter? which one is better? And I have my point right? I mean want to tell this to them cause for me its unfair cause they ask my duty cases and why they did not ask my two friends (A and D) if they implented that one what's the reason they rate me as not eligible while we have the same duty cases?

*note: I finished my OR duty cases after graduation? do you think it will not make a sense if I still request them for reconsideration? the point is we should finish our duty in 3rd year years. BUT NOONE CAN DO THAT right?

westcoastguy · Jun 9, 2012

@benny batchmate A is just my batchmate but we graduated the same year and that was 2009 and schoolmate D she graduated last 2010 both of them are no CA RN.

My point is we have the same school and routine duty even we have different dates in schedule we still finish our cases in senior years (4th year) none of us can finished OR/DR cases before entering 4th year.

And for clarification,

Do you think I can still send a request reconsideration to BRN even I already told them that I understand that I'm not eligible? and had told told them that Im going to take LVN I already sent that letter to them. And how can I reach my evualator? Some of here they contact them via phone call. Some are emails and you suggest certified mail? Which do you think if better?

Lastly I want to open my application again cause for me its unfair. How come my friends BRN didnt ask them cases if BRN is imposting that they implemented that rules before. So what's the point of that rule if not all applicant is asking for cases right?

*note: If I tell them the names and CA RN lic. # of my friends,is it ok? I mean it will not affect them? And I have 6 cases that finished after graduation. So you think I have the chance to be reconsider since they saying we should finish it in 3rd year?

BennyRNCA · Jun 10, 2012

I think the reason for the asking or in your case, why your classmates were not asked about their cases was maybe they applied much earlier than you and your timing was just bad having applied later on?

In any case, I would not mention anything about classmate B&C since while they got their ATT but failed, you don't want give your evaluator or if a new BON person is looking over your application some doubts. Who knows it could be a different review person who sees your side of the story?

If your denial letter wasn't signed or given a contact name on that letter, then, I would just address it to the CA BON manager, just say "CA BON manager" on the front of the envelope and in your greeting letter, no actual name needed, it will get directed to someone's desk, but still sent it via Certified Mail/Return Receipt Requested. I think this is more personal than using e-mail and you have actual proof your letter was signed for by the CA BON. Make sure you have someone with good English writing and reading skills review your letter before mailing it.

Keep it short and to the point and in a calm manner. No need to write a novel, keep it to one page, short and sweet as we say. I wouls say something to the effect of "I would like to have my application reconsidered based on the following information...blah, blah..." I had mentioned that I would go the LVN route, but I want to retract thought to see if I can be made eligible based on the facts mentioned.

I would simply mention only classmate A & D, who are RN's now. You would have to mention your classmates (with names and RN numbers) who are RN's now, I don't know if it will hurt them, but without some solid proof of your argument and with you feeling it's unfair, I would not go on with this letter of reconsideration then. Anyone can claim I know this person, then that person, their friends, their classmates, their whatever, but if you can't prove it, your letter has no validity. It's up to you, your call, your choice.

Whether or not, CA BON contacts the person's nformation you gave them is up to them or they could simply just not bother and let it go, who knows?

I'm not sure if you're in good contact or have a good relationship with classmates A & D, but I would at least ask them of what your possible plans are and see what they say and think and then make your decision.

Understand since it's not guaranteed this will work to your benefit, it's worth a try and know that CA BON may still decline this reconsideration and stand firm on the previous decision, then you'll know to pursue the LVN route or make up for the deficiencies somehow.

Since you graduated some years ago, did you ever get a ATT but failed NCLEX before? If so, then, it will be much harder for CA BON to reconsider your case as they will for sure, go thru from step #1 in the re-application process and most likely go thru with a fine tooth comb and probably will deny the request for another ATT under the RN section.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Jun 10, 2012

Westcoast Guy life isn't fair.

To complain to the board is only going to make your Classmates life miserable. Either their transcripts were not under the intense review yours was put through or they "fixed" their transcript. The Board is not going to reverse their decision regarding your ability to sit for NCLEX ( unless you can prove that your clinical and class was done concurrently) and only have your classmates life difficult.

Take the PN NCLEX, get a job and fulfill the requirements for RN. It will be quicker and in the long run it may help you find a RN job quicker.

westcoastguy · Jun 10, 2012

@Benny

I just came here last 2011 and I'm immigrant. And this is my first time to apply in NCLEX RN. And sad to say got denied. Thank you for your suggestions. I appreciate that. Hmmm May batchmate A is so friend of mine and schoolmate D. Yeah actually I'm thinking to quit in NCLEX RN but when I read some post here that even they got denied they contact their evaluator and reconsider their application something like that and they got their ATT. But since you gave me an idea what to do thanks for that.

@Ginger

My point is yeah BRN are tough to their decision but? How can I accept this denied ATT if they didn't follow their own rules since me and my other batchmates and schoolmates are have the same OR/DR cases issue. All of us are not finished our cases concurrently. But since again they got their ATT the time that they applied. I"M JUST SAYING THAT HOW COME THEY ASK MY CASES BUT MY OTHER FRIENDS DON'T. So I'm looking for their answer or justify the words that they said that THIS RULE IS IMPLEMENTED BEFORE AND YEARS AGO. That's why for me its unfair. And I had a friend of mine SHE IS REAPPLY AND STILL GOT HER ATT WITHOUT ASKING FOR CASES SHE APPLY THIS 2012!

Baby ghurL · Jun 14, 2012

Im here in Cali right now also, and a US citizen. I believe that its useless to keep explaining yourself to BON to let you take the exam. Lets just respect their own guidelines in their country. Its understandable that their priority are the grads here since most of them need to pay their loans. Just pursue the LVN for now and plan the next steps later on. As for me, i decided to do a career change and currently enrolled in a program now. I might be spending a lot of money again but this is more assuring than waiting for nothing.

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · Jun 14, 2012

Im here in Cali right now also, and a US citizen. I believe that its useless to keep explaining yourself to BON to let you take the exam. Lets just respect their own guidelines in their country. Its understandable that their priority are the grads here since most of them need to pay their loans. Just pursue the LVN for now and plan the next steps later on. As for me, i decided to do a career change and currently enrolled in a program now. I might be spending a lot of money again but this is more assuring than waiting for nothing.

I am confused by you referring to the USA as "their country" if you are a US Citizen it is your country.

The priority of your nursing board is to provide safe care to the patients. If you don't meet the board requirement they have deemed your education not adequate. It has nothing to do with student loans.